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[–] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

But seriously: if you're not voting for Biden, does that mean you instead vote for Trump? Or do you not vote at all? What if that results in another Trump presidency? What is the argument against voting for the lesser evil? Is it a matter of principle, then?

Unless you think Trump is the superior candidate, in which case I am not really interested in talking to you.

I mean, yes, it would be better if instead of Biden they ran someone younger and more progressive. And even better would be if the ridiculous two-party system was replaced altogether. But slim as the chance of that happening with Biden is, it is surely even more unlikely for that to happen with the Republicans and Trump in power, right?

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just genuinely confused as it seems I'm missing something that's perhaps obvious to you.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Is it a matter of principle, then?

If "I will not support genocide" isn't among your principles then what is?

Biden being the lesser evil is a big ol' "Citation Needed" because (to state one of many reasons) he can get away with a lot more than Trump can, because of liberals who stop protesting and turn their brains off when a democrat is in office. (not to say every single liberal does, but Biden's term has been full of atrocities and has not attracted nearly the scale of protest that Trump's did, though now with palestine it's seeing some (just without the broad base of support liberal protests under Trump had).

[–] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm in the lucky position where I don't live in the US and so do not have to pick a side anyway. Thankfully.

I don't know—I mean, yes, this whole Israel can do no harm thing is very toxic, obviously, and this genocide in Palestine is horrible. But I'm pretty sure Trump would've handled it even worse, so yes, I'd be willing to say Biden comes across as the lesser evil. But again, as I don't live in the US I only have my flawed outsider's perspective. Which probably invalidates any opinions I have on any of this.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

But I'm pretty sure Trump would've handled it even worse

What has Biden done that could have been worse? He's bypassed Congress for arms transfer, he's supported every stage of the genocide, he's criminalized criticism of Israel, he's sent American soldiers over and done everything people fear Trump might.

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