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Universal Basic Income can never happen under Capitalism. It's impossible. Were it to happen, it would literally collapse the system. Unemployment and the threat of such is the engine that keeps people in the wage slavery grind. Take that away and nobody would opt to be a wage slave as opposed to just coast on UBI and enjoy life. And even if not everyone took the UBI route, the remaining workers would have so much bargaining power, they would dictate terms to the bosses, and we can't have that.

Stop thinking UBI has any chance of happening in any large scale.

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s what I’m talking about—how do you afford the weed and video games if UBI is only covering basic necessities? Those are luxuries too. Piracy? How do you buy the computer? If you want to play a board game, that is a luxury. D&D? Gotta get some dice. If you make art, you need paint.

It seems like some people think that luxuries are some sort of Django Unchained exploitative dinner party, but it’s really more like every item that brings joy that is not required to simply survive. I don’t want to exist in a world without luxuries, and I don’t think you have to reject them entirely to escape capitalism.

Don’t mistake this as a defense of the American capitalistic empire—I hate it as much as the next guy—but I also enjoy my cell phone, my bong, my computer, and the occasional drink. Those are luxuries that make my life enjoyable, and giving them up would equal a pretty bleak existence.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

your idea of “basic necessities” seems to be punitively spartan. Surely after rent on a small apartment, electricity, food that’s neither foie gras nor Nutriloaf and such, you’d have a small amount left over, which you could use to have a drink, buy some apps for your phone/computer (and one of those would be considered a necessity), rent a movie, or similar. It wouldn’t be extravagant, but it wouldn’t be some kind of puritanical dopamine famine either.

Unless, of course, the system is run by puritans who levy a tax on joy itself for ideological reasons, in which case living in any state above a sort of suspended animation without working would be a crime. If tabloid newspapers were responsible for the design of the system, we might see that.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Personally, I like foie gras, French wine, and/or a good cigar. There is a real level of artistry in making some of these things, and I enjoy appreciating it.

Once we start trying to categorize which luxuries are reasonable, there is bound to be disagreement. If I want rarer luxuries, I would want the option to be able to work for those.

I still very much agree that there should be a basic quality of life that is socially funded and assured for all people.