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Universal Basic Income can never happen under Capitalism. It's impossible. Were it to happen, it would literally collapse the system. Unemployment and the threat of such is the engine that keeps people in the wage slavery grind. Take that away and nobody would opt to be a wage slave as opposed to just coast on UBI and enjoy life. And even if not everyone took the UBI route, the remaining workers would have so much bargaining power, they would dictate terms to the bosses, and we can't have that.

Stop thinking UBI has any chance of happening in any large scale.

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We usually agree on stuff, and I’ve enjoyed this opportunity to debate with you a little.

You may be right that nobody wanted to go to the factory, but it is incorrect to act like people just chilled in their villages. Before money and professions, people spent time surviving every single day. The weak died if they could not hunt. People created the idea of the village in the first place so that people could labor on tasks they are suited for and the group has a better chance of survival—if you have the strong man hunt and the wise man lead, then everyone benefits from more food and good decisions.

Money is an extension of that idea—that not everyone is suited to produce the exact same resources—allowing people to pursue different roles and get the necessities they need for life without literally carrying chickens around to barter with. It is a convenience that allows people to operate in a system where your entire survival is not dependent on your own labor, and you need to cooperate and trade with others.

I agree that people should have the fear of homelessness and hunger removed with socialistic or communistic programs, but I would hope that the end result would be that people could pursue interests that they are passionate about, including part time or full time careers, so that their labor contributes to something they believe in rather than just being something to pay the bills. Then, that extra money is where luxuries and entertainment come in—that is the incentive to choose a job over just a hobby. It incentives with the carrot instead of the stick.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Money is an extension of that idea—that not everyone is suited to produce the exact same resources—allowing people to pursue different roles and get the necessities they need for life without literally carrying chickens around to barter with.

Yeah that's a convenient myth. You should read Debt.

Separation of skill doesn't require capitalism or money. Improvements in life are the result of the scientific method. I'm not suggesting primitivism. I am pointing out that human psychology doesn't work the way you think.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I’ll check out that book, thanks.