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[–] grue@lemmy.world 213 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

>reboot to bootloader -> unlock -> you will use your warranty -> yes

It's fucking outrageous that companies are allowed to blatantly lie like that (you will not, in fact, lose your warranty -- Federal law doesn't allow it). Every company that displays such a fraudulent message ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse

Fines don't work, just start throwing people in jail already.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

By its nature, the only penalties that can be applied to a corporate entity are fines or revoking its charter. The latter is what I had in mind when I wrote "or worse," although I suppose piercing the corporate veil and going after the company's executives personally is certainly an option too!

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's insane to respect corporations' rights when we know very well how pointless they are for the public's interests. We want proper behavior and serious punishments. We don't want to respect corporate and their rights.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We might also need voting records so we know which members of the board need to be punished for corporate action

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

And it there's been a failure to keep voting records, punish the whole board. Be more ruthless to these fucks.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Board members should be individually liable

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

You can pierce the corporate veil. "What lawyer approved it? Who was responsible for putting that message there?”.

The corporation might not be able to be punished, but the actual people who did the thing can be.

The corporate veil for legal action only makes sense for a limited number of things that are problematic for the company but no person could really be expected to have directly made the choice.

[–] viking 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

OP seems to be Austrian. I don't think the FTC has anything to say about Austrian laws.

[–] obre@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

OP may or may not be Austrian, but is definitely behind seven proxies

[–] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I got that reference.gif

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

OP is most certainly from a German speaking country based on the fact they wrote deinstall instead of uninstall, which is a false friend of the German word 'deinstallieren'.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Good to know... Is this only related to software hacking? Or is the warning sticker on hardware also bullshit?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The warning sticker on hardware is also bullshit.

The TL;DR of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that if the manufacturer wants to deny your warranty claim, the burden is on them to prove that the owner's "unreasonable use" (abuse), neglect of required maintenance, or modification of the product was the actual cause of the failure.

For example, a car manufacturer can't use the fact that you tinted the windows as an excuse to deny your claim for an engine failure, but they could deny it for your failure to perform oil changes.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the TOS you agreed to says a ridiculous "arbitration" will determine who's right that you abused the equipment - and guess who the arbitrator will decide for.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk.

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

In EU at least

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So in other words: the rule applies to you unless you can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Not in the case of a googlephone.

[–] Bill@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] kipo@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes.

Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well.

https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

The amount that companies lie about laws is just disgusting.

Oftentimes most of the EULA isn't even enforceable, but they put it there anyway. It really ought to be illegal to do that.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Terms & conditions are more a wishlist than anything else ;)