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Here’s hiddenstill’s main concerns. It sounds like they’re open to considering Lemmy, but they definitely need some reassurance
Can Lemmy can scale to the size required if trans content was banned on reddit.
I couldn't find much information on Lemmy's moderation tools. Currently this sub attracts a lot of hate and chasers, which moderation easily takes care of. In the past the have been excessive amounts, but reddit has cracked down on it, and provides tools to limit it (not very good ones). Lemmy would be unusable without this.
Lemmy works by sharing data across multiple instances (computers) and it appears there seem to be privacy concerns about the amount of data on users that is shared.
What is to stop the owners of the instance shutting it down, or the data being lost for any other reason? Although not a corporate it makes no difference. There would be a massive loss of knowledge and history.
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone, don’t feel the need to reply or reach out to hiddenstill if you’re not comfortable with it, but I thought you may be the best person to speak to many of these concerns
Yes. A Lemmy insurance doesn't federate all content to all users. It federates only a single copy of any content to each instance that has users that subscribe to that content, and those instances put it on the timeline of their members that subscribe to it.
The federation design can handle a lot more traffic than the trans community on reddit can generate.
It's better and worse than reddits tools. There are more active mods and admins that have less tolerance for bigotry, meaning that bigots get stomped on more reliably than on reddit. But creating new accounts is easy and locking down communities isn't as granular as it is on reddit.
Federation also allows an admin to restrict access to other instances that don't deal with trolls, or even to operate on a allow list basis. We're thinking of spinning up an allow list only instance to insulate sensitive groups from the wider fediverse, whilst allowing our members to access it.
Admins have access to the database for their instances, but that's true of reddit too. The difference is lemmy admins aren't selling that data off. And some instances (like blahaj) don't require an email address to register, and allow the use of VPNs. Privacy is best achieved by not providing identifying data in the first place and many instances work to enable that option.
Nothing. That's the biggest issue IMO. Content that federates will still be available on the instances it has federated to, but even then, the loss of the hosting instance makes it hard to coordinate a replacement.
I have hope that as the fediverse matures, this will improve and user and community mobility will protect against this.
The only thing I can say here is that it's less an issue than the possibility of reddit just banning a sub, because at least most of the content is recoverable on lemmy.
I'm interested in this as its basically the issue that we're potentially facing on reddit. There's a lot of trans sites that have died over the years, or in the cases of Susans lost years of data.
I had thought that Federation meant the communities were duplicated across instances providing redundancy, but it sounds like that's not correct. Am I correct in thinking if the instance dies then there's no real way to rebuild the community as it was before?
What actually happens?
I just signed up here and it appears my account is tied to this instance. If this instance is lost then my account is lost? I can make accounts on other instances, but there's nothing tying them together?
Can a single instance handle a community of 100k members? Can this one? What's the limit?
There's an incredible amount of hate and chasers on reddit, and if you had to rely on manual moderation I don't think anyone could cope. You may not be seeing it here because Lemmy is smaller, not as well know, and appears to be a bit harder to use and keeps out the idiots. The sub moderation is part of it, with lots of automated filtering (which is why the people from Lemmy were having trouble posting in the sub), but the site also keeps them suppressed. When it didn't it was really bad.
The theoretical limit depends on the server hardware behind the instance.
The admins of Blahaj.Zone are strict with those kinds of messed up individuals. Lemmy instances often defederate from the troll farms like Hexbear for example. It’s a lot harder for trolls and chasers to organize in this bloc of instances for example as the mods/admins are very on top of things. They use the tool fediseer to check out if an instance is trustworthy enough for their users/communities to interact with ours.
I agree with you that the moderating tools on Lemmy could be better but as more people switch to this platform the higher the demand would be for developers to upgrade the tools to be more robust. They have come a long way from 2023.
When Reddit killed almost all the third-party apps a lot of moderating and accessibility features were forever lost due to the company’s decision to charge outrageous fees for api access but not only that but they adamantly refused to work with developers who extended an hand to work out a deal within the new limits.