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Depends on the murderer. Dexter has great ratings because people do in fact support murder of people who kill and aren't being held accountable, at least in theory.
At least in fiction. Big difference.
Luigi seems to have a lot of support as well. In reality.
I think the key difference is that no one was bringing Brian Thompson to justice.
The nature of humans is that they seek justice for themselves. Congress and the courts are, in theory, an uneasy compromise to offer people justice in exchange for demanding that they don’t go out and make justice for themselves. Because we’ve seen where that leads, and it sure isn’t good.
You can believe in the rule of law and still think Brian Thompson deserved to die. Because by any legal standard, he committed more homicides than pretty much everyone on death row. And yet, somehow, our system is so twisted up that it is fine. Everything Thompson did was perfectly legal. Just like slavery, segregation, and the holocaust.
I don’t think killing CEOs at random is a route to any good thing. Bringing random violence into the political equation serves one side only, and it is not ours. But it is perfectly consistent to condemn murder and still support Luigi, in reality.
You're not wrong, but the issue is that as fewer and fewer people believe that the law will actually hold anyone accountable, they'll decide the correct thing to do is to take it into their own hands.
And, if there's anything that's been very, very, very, very, clearly shown over the last 2 or 3 years in the US it's that the rule of law does not apply to anyone who is rich, famous, or is capable of wielding sufficient soft power.
If you're one of those 3, then absolutely nothing you do is illegal, and once you've reached the point where the justice system will not do anything to those that wrong you, the only thing you have left is to go out and take action yourself, which historically has almost always been violence.
I would expect there to be more, rather than less, of these types of murders from here on - especially given that everyone in this country either has a gun, or is a 15 minute background check away from having one.
Very much so. I was meaning to imply as much, when I threw that little "in theory" into how congress and the courts are supposed to work.
Funnily, German law did not change during the holocaust, and Germany still convicts people for being accessories to murder in concentration camps under the laws of the 1940s.
“There is only what is and that's it. What should be is a dirty lie.” — Lenny Bruce
There’s no justice inherent in the world. The nature of things is that the ruthless and powerful will prosper. That is why setting up systems of justice and maintaining them is important. They will never be perfect or even close to it, but having them is better.
I do get what you’re saying. The system is unjust. It is. What I am saying is that the unjust features of the system have nothing to do with the system. It’s just the nature of people. You could have the American system, or the Soviet, or anarchism, or Star Trek, or whatever, but the people with more power assembled to themselves will always be able to dominate the less powerful to some degree. Until you start doing a full Harrison Bergeron power-equalizing system, which of course is enforced by a Harrison Bergeron central all-powerful wait wait wait….
I do get what you mean, that the American system is corrupt and oligarchic. It is. I just am saying that any theory where you want to do whatever-else instead of the American system needs to take into account where the corruption in the American system comes from, and put up some strong defenses against it in whatever new way we’re doing instead.
Condemning murder wasn't the argument though, it was condemning all murder including against particular people or groups who want to or have committed murder like nazis. Luigi is the evidence that if a system protects those types of people from repercussions, the person who corrects them tend to get support from general public which runs counter to condemning all murder.
At this point it's just semantics between physical violence and actions that lead to death like economic or social violence like what we see from united health and nazis.
So writing the policy that deliberately withholds rightful treatment, causing thousands of people to die, is not similar to actively strangling them? And a self respecting regime shouldn't be having a discussion about how people with power use that power to the detriment of their fellow man and what the consequences should be to prevent the fallout of more luigis?
I sound like a domestic terrorist for articulating that physical violence isn't that far off from economic or social violence and that the failure to enforce penalties against them will lead to people lashing out as we have seen multiple times historically? And that we should have a discussion about that to avoid people continuing to stew in poor conditions that ultimately lead to someone lashing out? You sound like an apologist and someone who is unconcerned with the general welfare of their fellow man.
Are you having a stroke or are you being serious?
Don't feed the troll.
To be clear, at no point have I advocated violence. I have pointed out why some people may be moved to violence in response to non physical kinds of violence that do not provoke consequences Then said it was semantics between a murderer and a person who kills by policy, which would reason that it should result in harsher penalties for the people who kill by policy.
All that to prevent more abused people taking power into their own hands.
Again, at no point did I advocate for violence or terrorism. Please learn to read.
Who is bringing Putin, Trump or Netanyahu to justice?
Your point is?
Thus my question - who is bringing them to justice. Your point is?
Now read the comment I was originally responding to.
Now read my reply to the comment I was responding to. Slowly 🙄