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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Now we need a version with the guy wearing a "don't vote" cap and saying "this is all the Dems fault".

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago (27 children)

The Democrats not once but twice lost to him. Who do you suggest we blame if not the candidates that lost?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I blame Republican voter suppression and supporting a candidate that tried and failed at insurrection.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (24 children)

The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant. It wasn't about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*. Note that this is not limited to non-voters, but includes every american.

*: This is not what a vote for the president is meant to be about. But hey, desperate times, desperate measures, that kinda stuff.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.

Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?

It wasn't about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*.

This mentality is exactly what allowed Democrats to move so far to the right and lose their base. This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the "good guys." You can only do that when your sole appeal is "well at least we're not Republicans" rather than having anything meaningful to point to to actually demonstrate that you deserve to win. Diet Republicanism isn't appealing to anyone and these candidates completely and voluntarily chose to run on that platform even going as far as wasting weeks of campaigning in order to court Dick Cheney's approval. It was another colossal fuck up by the DNC that once again lead to Donald Trump winning the presidency.

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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that's the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.

Oh, wait, that's literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.

If you don't criticize the party and instead let them get away with "blaming voters" then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.

Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn't the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn't working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.

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[–] Kurroth@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As someone from a place with compulsory voting and would vote regardless. You, I would vote any prick that stayed home and didn't vote. Especially when rates are less than half the voting population.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So I'd say that's heavily weighted to a large portion of the population that just has zero say (statically) over the election. The electoral college makes our elections statistically pointless for 43/50 states. So any "stay as home" people or "blue states shifting red" are just a reflection of how little people have faith in the democratic party. But not actually a reflection of what lost the election.

For example, I live in Washington, there is just no statistical way my state goes for Trump. So I voted for the PSL candidate for president and went Democrat down the ballot the rest of the way.

As far as the presidential vote goes I am essentially the same as a non voter. But that did NOT matter at all. My state went blue. And my PSL vote was influenced by that. If I was in Georgia (my previous home state) I'd have voted for Harris.

I feel like the focus on the "protest vote" is trivial. The states that mattered lost the non political person to the couch because the Democrats couldn't message to them enough to get them to care to drive to the polls.

At the end of the day. The Dems lost because they didn't give any progressive minded people a reason to get off the couch on election day. They instead spent their whole campaign trying to "turn" voters they could never win on issues like "tough on immigrant" policies.

[–] uienia@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

The non-voters obviously. How is that so difficult for you to understand?

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