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Impossible to get recommended essential nutrients like choline eating a plant based diet, of course it's going to be attacked
I guess I'm a ghost, having been vegan for so long. If this is the afterlife, people like you must be why it's Hell, as you're spreading egg industry misinformation about choline - a substance which, in those animal-based regular concentrated doses, is correlated with a greater risk of cancers 1 2 3. Also heart disease.
Despite large parts of the population being under the "adequate intake", a common worry for choline deficiency is about dementia. If plants were so low in choline, you'd expect AD to be a big issue for those who ate more plant-based (as a spectrum) than animal-based food.
Effects of intensive lifestyle changes on the progression of mild cognitive impairment or early dementia due to Alzheimer’s disease: a randomized, controlled clinical trial | Alzheimer's Research & Therapy | Full Text
Here's a trial with an intervention of:
and the conclusion:
Too short? Perhaps something on the Mediterranean diet, which is a heavily plant-based diet (if you don't know what the MD score is, look it up):
Mediterranean diet adherence is associated with lower dementia risk, independent of genetic predisposition: findings from the UK Biobank prospective cohort study | BMC Medicine | Full Text
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Is the MD bad in this way?
Frontiers | Dietary adherence to the Mediterranean diet pattern in a randomized clinical trial of patients with quiescent ulcerative colitis
You'll find that studies on dementia and diets tend to recommend more plant-centered diets.
Hmmmm... if you actually check the literature for choline, it's an "Adequate Intake" recommendation, not an RDA. There isn't enough data for it.
Dietary intake and food sources of choline in European populations | British Journal of Nutrition | Cambridge Core
Too long, didn't read. I have a medical condition that requires a higher intake of choline or trimethylglycine than the advised 550mg.
Failure to do so makes me feel terrible, get weak and have dangerously low cholesterol.
Given the advised quantity is impossible to achive, I'd never have a chance so you can spare the vegan preaching
You can take choline supplements, so it's not impossible. Vegan preaching will continue. The assumption here that you're not sharing is that you want some magical "natural diet" while living a completely unnatural life. You have a medical condition, which was discovered thanks to modern medical science, modern biology and chemistry, and yet you imagine that you must obtain some "natural sources" as if that's an enchanted biological material instead of the very obvious: you're OK with sacrificing sentient beings for your fantasy of "natural independence from modernity".
Oh, and factory farming is responsible for most of the animal products. That's part of your fantasy issue. Let's put it this way. If there were no factory farms, not only are you statistically unlikely to get your hands on eggs and livers, but if you had hens, you could afford only a small number of hens and your economic situation would pressure you to sell the eggs, not to consume them.
Take the supplements.
If you want to go full "primitivist", then understand first that the humans as "primitives" can only survive as tiny populations, a fraction of how many humans we have today. You would've probably died as a natural abortion or in childhood, just like me.
It's bean a huge displeasure to talk to you, I hope that you remember me.