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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

Does water flow uphill?

Every democracy that has ever existed has failed, over time. America was to be a grand experiment. Unlike Rome, this was going to last... everywhere else, water flows downhill, but not this time... this time was going to be different!

If you knew in advance that the dealer stacks the deck, then why play poker with them?

I am not saying that Adam is entirely incorrect, just that he seemed to forget that it's not a simple matter of mathematical right and wrong, like spherical chickens sliding on a frictionless surface - in the real world, much greater levels of complexity abound. e.g. if Trump were to let's say die of old age, then Vance would simply step up. And past him, the voters would simply put someone else equally anti-liberal in place in four years time. This fact cannot be ignored.

Thus by ignoring that, Adam falls into a logical trap and serves as a bit of a misinformation source himself, even after all the rest that he so carefully and painstakingly assembled and delivered. i.e. "average Americans* are running the economy - arguably that's the entire problem faced right now, with the power being taken away from actual experts and put into the hands of Maga voters mindlessly following Fox News.

And whoever said that democracy was ever "fair" - especially the American system based on the electoral college that is most decidedly, intentionally skewing the results, which is usually considered as the polar opposite of "fair".

Please forgive me but your comment comes across as naive. I'm not even debating that what you said is incorrect, just that the analysis seems to suddenly stop at that point, rather than continue going to account for the history of democracies.

Sorry, this is hard to discuss for me - this isn't just theoretical, this is happening irl. Even when Rome fell, it did not have nukes - whereas the USA could precipitate WWIII.