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DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump (truthout.org)

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The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 5 months ago (23 children)

But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...

Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:

In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.

Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.

To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

This exactly. I have voted for every progressive candidate that has come up on the ballot. And yet every single time the middle of the road Democrat wins. Because that's where the DNC puts the money. And in the general I always vote for whatever Democrat has won the primary. And quite frankly I always feel sick that I voted for somebody that I wouldn't vote for if I had a better choice.

So I think I'm going to choose not to vote in the general if the progressive I vote for doesn't win. I'm tired of a democratic party that is more interested in protecting their position than actually doing their job.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you should still vote just to show you're an active voter that they failed to court, but vote for independents, 3rd party, write in, whatever.

Honestly, I think the only solution for progressives is to elect enough independents that mathematically, while a minority, MUST be courted by the establishment parties in order to secure their legislation. Though that won't do anything for legislation that both establishment parties fully agree on, that'll still get rammed through.

But what are we even talking about? These are all legal constructs. We're living post rule of law now. Dictator just flat ignoring courts.

[–] jonne 5 points 5 months ago

Yeah, that's basically the situation in Australia. The crossbench is needed to pass anything in the Senate, but Liberals and Labour routinely join forces to pass some truly disgusting shit (most recently an election reform that would reduce funding to the smaller parties, and a takeover of one of the biggest unions in the country).

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