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Luxchat, a messaging app developed in Luxembourg, based on Matrix (www.luxchat.lu)
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Luxchat4Gov and Luxchat for the general public and businesses are interoperable national instant messaging services, based on the Matrix technology.

Matrix is an open standardized protocol for instant communication, developed by a large, mainly European community, and supported by a foundation, The matrix.org Foundation, guaranteeing the sustainability of the key principles and foundations of the Matrix technology.

https://www.luxchat.lu/en/technical-details/

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[โ€“] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I know what community this is, Blaze, but it baffles me to recommend this over Element.

  • The Matrix Foundation is a UK-based CIC.
  • IIRC the for-profit company which develops the Element app which is commercial FOSS is UK-based โ€“ therefore it's European.
  • Luxchat, however, lacks support for Linux, the obvious choice for removing oneself from US-based software.
  • Luxchat, however, isn't made by the people behind the protocol like Element.
  • ~~Unlike Element's company, which exists to make money to fund Matrix's development, Luxchat is full-stop a for-profit company ostensibly supporting nothing.~~ Edit: I was mistaken; a GIE is a company (they're registered C8 with the Commercial and Companies Register in Luxembourg), but the type of company's: "aim is not to make a profit, but it can do so simply as an accessory, as the profit resulting from the joint action must also go directly to its members." That said, I can't see anything about any money going back to the development of Matrix, which is still a major red flag to me compared to Element.
  • The tiny-ass website doesn't do a thing to estsblish what license Luxchat is under. Element, by contrast, is squarely FOSS.
  • ~~While desperately, fruitlessly searching for any sort of license, one of the few pages that turned up from their website just read "Create stunning AI chatbots with our 21st.dev-inspired Glassmorphic UI." as one of their premium services. ๐Ÿคฎ~~ This may(?) be something different. See below.
  • I can find effectively fuck-all about this company that I'm supposed to be trusting with my privacy.

Edit: So to be clear, they say it's a fork of Element, but that doesn't tell me the license or give me the source code. Trying to find the source code for the messaging app just returns this crap about ~~their~~ an AI service which is just ChatGPT wrapper number 486 billion.

Edit 2: Okay, I think the confusion over this AI BS is that there's lux.chat โ€“ ChatGPT wrapper garbage โ€“ and luxchat โ€“ an Element fork. I have no idea if these are related. If they are, this information is too hard to find. If they aren't... I mean maybe if you had more information on your website, luxchat, I wouldn't have to scour the Internet to find that information and run into lux.chat.

Edit 3: The FAQ clears literally none of my questions up. Cool.

[โ€“] alucard@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Very valid points.

Can you please provide the passage you are referring to from the link? I can't find it, even with the use of deepl. Thanks.

[โ€“] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The quote only came from searching for luxchat on DDG, and even then it led to a login-only page of lux.chat. So unfortunately, I can't. And even then, I'm doubting luxchat and lux.chat are by the same people.

[โ€“] alucard@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So how do you know that luxchat is a full stop for-profit company? That's the part I meant, I just saw that my comment appeared after you edited your comment.

[โ€“] Blaze@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are not, see this comment : https://feddit.org/post/12874767/6782226

[โ€“] alucard@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago

Thank you for your elaborate reply!

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