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The money wasted in electric car subsidies is much better spent on mass transit and cycling and pedestrianization initiatives, all of which move far more people at much less cost per person. Electric cars are being posited as the solution (as opposed to drastically improved mass transit) because that's the only way auto companies can stay relevant and maintain their supremacy
It's all about protectionism for an obsolete car industry. If we legalized golf carts, and ATVs, most families in the suburbs would buy one of those. They'd use it for groceries, school runs, dentist appointments, and getting coffee down the street. Their main car would sit idle the majority of time, because it's a hassle to drive a large car. It would make living in suburbia someone more tolerable, as you would see your neighbors more in golf carts.
I know this isn't exactly an urban area but ATVs can be legally driven on the road in West Virginia
Also we should be looking to reduce car use because car infrastructure is incredibly expensive and environmentally destructive.
Electric cars still need ashphault, make tire dust, require salted roads. Roads will still have surface water run off contaminated and artificially heated damaging natural water ways. Roads will need to be repaved more often due to EVs weighing more.
By the end of day, we are barely getting ahead environmentally with EVs if at all. Some EVs like an electric hummer will generate more carbon through their lifecycle (production, use, and disposal) than an ICE compact car.
So what do you suggest? No cars allowed at all? Even in European countries with strong public transportation cars are still useful and allowed (except in crowded city areas). It's hard to imagine life out in the boonies without access to a car...
I think we should pursue better public transportation primarily, but I also think efforts to make electric vehicles better are an important piece of the puzzle to transporting ourselves sustainably.
I claimed reduce car use, not no cars at all. If we cut car trips in half in favor of walking, biking, or transit thats a huge improvement. Car dependancy has other issues as well with land use causing sprawl and strip malls, which often sit abandoned and a new development is built further down the road. I think reducing car use and improving density and livability of cities goes hand in hand.
As much as I would love for the modern world to be able to reduce its car dependency, unfortunately in places like North America that is just straight up impossible, even with public transit places are just too far apart.
The vast majority of car trips are done locally. Most people aren't driving from Dallas to New York to get their grocceries, go to the gym, or go to work.
Most people who live rural areas need to travel at least half an hour to get groceries, I am not talking about people who live in cities.
Most people live in cities and is largey what i am talking about. Those are the areas that dont need you to sit in 30 minutes of traffic to go 7 kms yet thats what we have. People who have to drive should be pro transit and alternatives. It takes people who dont want to drive off the road freeing up more space and easing congestion.
I think there needs to be an effort to advocate for reduced car use, many of the suburbs would be much nicer if people could be allowed to use golf carts on the roads. It would be a step in a better direction, break the obsolete car industry, and bridge to walk-able communities in existing burbs that can't be easily or quickly redeveloped.
Yup. Even if we don't reduce the number of cars, driving them less often is a massive benefit.