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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (12 children)

You still haven't showed me where I was racist to Israelis

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Oh, I misread your post then (E: I think you're missing a comma). I thought you were accusing me of diving into your history. I haven't, so I couldn't say what you have said. However, I never accused you of saying anything in the first place. Without that, your comments make no sense.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Then we agree that saying "fuck Italians" or "fuck Israelis" is pretty racist, since it is an unmotivated and generalized insult to a whole group of people identified by their country of origin?

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think I understand where your coming from, but I'm uncomfortable with blurring the distinction between national boarders and race. After all, I think we both agreed that different human races aren't real, while nations are much more concrete. If we label all generalization as racism, I fear that it waters down the meaning of the word, just like when people call anything more authoritarian than them a Nazi.

However, we can definitely agree that sweeping generalizations are bad. Instead of spreading hate in the world, we should treat others how we would wish to be treated.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why you need to look up what "racism" is and why it is a real thing.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be quite honest, I did some searching of race and racism before even my first response to you just be sure. I still dont agree with you and neither did what I found. Furthermore, unless there's some votes not federating to my instance, nobody on here agrees with your initial claim.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mate, I do not care at all if randoms on the internet agree that saying "fuck Italians" is racist. It is, period.

However you came here saying "against the Italian race?" and I needed to educate you, because it would be a big problem if people start thinking that hating a whole population isn't racist because races don't exist or some other contemporary nazifascist reason.

That's all. No need to thank me.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no Italian race! Boarders are not ethnic groups, and by claiming they are you are generalizing the contents of those boarders.

That being said, sweeping generalizations are still wrong. However, your attitude in this whole comment chain has been abhorrent and it's surely not swinging anyone over to your viewpoint.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So I can hate all French just because they are French and discriminate them without being racist?

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whether or not a generalizing bigot is a racist depends on more than that. Given the example, the chances are high. However, there is no French race and I find the calling of the entire population of France a single ethnic group a bit disgusting. So no, in isolation I would not call French-hate racism, but it still doesn't make it right. Just like calling someone a "piece of shit" on the internet.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you feel it wouldn't be right to hate on a whole population, but still can't call it racist unless individuals of said population share the ethnicity.

Which is equivalent to saying that if we were to mix all different populations we would defeat racism. We would then have a different kind of hate based on country of origin, culture, language or whatever and that wouldn't remotely sound like racism, right?

Wrong.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nope. That doesn't sound like a reasonable comparison at all. Ancestral heritage and cultural affiliation are significant parts of the artificial social construct of "race". And no, I do not believe you can defeat racism by mixing everyone together until we all share the same appearance and background. If anything, I think truly defeating racism would be celebrating those differences, not covering them up.

To be honest though, I'm mostly just being pedant because of your language in the original comment. You make some good points, but nobody makes any ground when they start off by calling people names. I suspect most of the downvotes are the result of the same kind of thinking. ✌️

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 14 hours ago

You are really trying hard to justify your idea of racism. I'll have you know that it is on par with what fascist people in my country do. You should see them, it's ridiculous the length they are willing to go just to be shitty small humans.

As for my wording, I already told you I don't care. If you are looking for someone that explains you obvious things gently go to mom and dad.

Also if you think upvotes and downvotes have any importance I guess you should part ways with the internet for a while, because it doesn't sound like a sane person thought.

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