Interbreeding - this is sexual reproduction from flower to seed to a new plant between two different population groups or species. This refers to generations not one plant.

Stable population - this is a term used in population genetics to describe the expression of traits is relatively unchanging from one generation to the next in a population.

The author also describes a few mechanisms for how the colors change in the population. The color preference of the dominant pollinator is the major selection pressure.

A few other bits of information. Columbines are biannual/short lived perennials. The first year or couple of years the plants grow vegetatively and do not bloom. When the plant gets large enough it blooms and produces seed. The plant then dies at the end of the season. That fall or the next spring the seeds germinated and it takes 2-4 years for the plant to flower and the cycle to repeat itself.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

And you don’t seem to be able to comprehend that most people don’t have large enough gardens to supply proper hybridization, so it naturally goes back to the natural colour. If I had a large garden, what you said CAN happen, but in almost all situations, it doesn’t properly interbreed, it reverts to its natural colour.

Also, again, no reds to begin with, and I’ve dead headed the plant every year, it’s never seeded itself.

Most people will have columbines that shift back to the natural colours, not provide hybridization since there’s not enough to compete with the naturals, so they take back over. So what you’re describing, isn’t what most people will see with their plants. If you want to talk about edge cases like it’s the norm. Go and bloviate dude.

This was all stuff we were warned about ahead of time by the nursery.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The nursery completely misled you. This is extremely common. Nursuries spread whatever myth is convenient to pacify their customers. So kindly stop spreading their bullshit.

Here is the likely original source of the seed. It's one of two wholesale supplies that produce the seed.

https://www.applewoodseed.com/product/columbine-mckana-giants-mix/

This is a segregating population many different colors. They hybrid refers to an inter-specific cross back in the 1950's.

Not all of the colors will bloom at the same time. Some bloom after one year, others bloom after 2-3 years. Columbines also have what is called seed dormancy. Seeds can remain in the soil for several years before they germinate.

What you think of is one plant is likely 10 or so individual plants completing their lifecycle the past few years.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s not McKanas, there’s more than one mix of columbines.

I’m also not in the USA.

This isn’t just one nursery dude. Your own link doesn’t even corroborate what you’ve said. We shopped multiple nurseries. You’re literally the only one on the internet claiming this.

I know this is more than one plant…. That’s why the colours shifting, because some have died out, and some have changed colour. Again for the third bloody time, this never started with red in it. And nothing you’ve provided have said they don’t change colours. In fact they say they do, I even provided the part of YOUR source that states this.

You’re wrong dude, leave it.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't even follow my explanations can you. Oh well....

FYI, You've been arguing plant genetics and gene expression with a commercial plant breeder... LMAO.

Thanks for the entertainment.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you’re a commercial plant breeder I feel sorry for your clients.

In your last comment you say there is only a few resellers, which is applicable in the US, where I don’t reside. You also link the McKanas giant mix. Which clearly my 1” blooms aren’t… so your entire claims should be brought under question. I even stated this in my previous comment, which you of course ignored since it shows your lack of comprehension.

You are the type of person who just googles something and runs with it aren’t you? Your first link even talks about how they do change colour, so it really sounds like you have a surface depth knowledge and are bloviating about adjacent topics to make yourself look smart.

You can’t even provide a source that backs up your claim, and almost all other sources and nurseries say otherwise. __ So yeah, if you are actually a commercial breeder, people either need avoid you, or you probably aren’t what you claim.

I also haven’t argued with you about anything, you keep going off on tangents when I talk about my plants shifting colours as they naturally do, like your own link even states… so if you enjoy arguing with yourself, you should maybe go and get checked out mate. Because this is completely one sided.

You mis ID the plant and have talked with such confidence about the US situation…. where I don’t even reside… for the umpteenth time.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It appears you have remarkable poor reading comprehension. Unfortunately it looks like I will be unable to explain it to you in a simplified manner. You are clearly missing large amounts of basic biology/genetics knowledge. At this point you are too ignorant of critical concepts to understand my efforts.

If you are interested in truly understanding plants, I highly recommend you study some basic biology, plant science, agronomy, and genetics to give you an introductory understanding of the topics.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

? I’ve addressed everything you’ve said that’s relevant to my post, just because I’m ignoring irrelevant shit doesn’t make me lack reading comprehension..

You’re actually the one ignoring the relevant bits that show you don’t have a clue here.

Why haven’t you addressed the fact that you’ve ID’d the plant wrong and are talking about a totally different country and situation? Maybe once you pull your fucking head out of your ass you could see how fucking wrong you are here. It’s embarrassing that you’re claiming you’re right, when for the umpteenth time. You didn’t even ID the plant and are taking about a totally different country and situation.

Give your fucking head a shake dude, I do have some basic plant biology experience. Clearly your own ego can’t let you see you fucked up. I’ve even explained this multiple times and you STILL can’t get it? You’re a special one dude. If you can’t ID a plant or atleast acknowledge when someone says they don’t LIVE IN THE FUCKING USA, why should anyone take your advice? All you’ve shown is you don’t listen to what people say and bloviate about whatever you want.

Also, all your comments all look like they went through an LLM, you’re weird. Congrats on using Google and llm to appear smart, maybe that’s why you can’t seem to understand nor seem to want to even acknowledge the information I’m providing. Your llm can’t understand and just ignores it.

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