Flippanarchy
Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.
Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works.
This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.
Don't take yourselves too seriously. Serious posts go to !anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Absolutely no right-wing jokes. This includes "Anarcho"-Capitalist concepts.
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No bigotry whatsoever. See instance rules.
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This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.
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No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
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I'm not a liberal, I'm anti-capitalist.
And also I'm correct, every election is like groundhogs day, like being trapped in a time loop, where leftists go:
"The lesser of two evils is still evil, I'm going to keep my hands clean".
"Voting doesn't work, because you can't fix an inherently flawed system from within the system."
"Voting is just part of the system of oppression by keeping people complacent from making real changes."
In my memory this anti-voting/vote boycotting goes back at least to 2000 Bush/Gore.
Now let's say I'm completely wrong, let's say I'm crazy and I just made that all up in my head. Let's say that leftists have always been enthusiastic participators in American democracy, and 2024 was the first ever leftist election boycott.
Now from 2025 to 2028, is the overton window moving left, or right? Will the 2028 election be to the left of 2024, or will 2028 be to the right of 2024?
I'm dead serious willing to bet $500 that 2028 will be to the right of 2024. The overton window is still moving right.
So did my original statement even matter? Either way leftist election boycotts are moving the overton window right, whether it started in 2000, or 2024.
The only question is, how many election boycotts have to fail at doing what leftists want until leftists suddenly become aware they are poking the stick in their own bicycle wheel?
Yes... and you have decided to blame leftists for this instead of the political racketeers who invented and maintains this cyclical pseudo-democratic spectacle itself.
How liberal of you... you, a (supposed) "anti-capitalist."
You can't be a liberal and an anti-capitalist, Clyde - you have to decide which you're going to be.
And they are correct.
And they are still correct.
Nope. It was a thing long before the Russian Revolution, genius - it's only you liberals that are now finding out how utterly hollow your "liberal democracy" truly is and always have been. Leftists have known that before Marx or Bakunin even went through puberty.
Yes. Let's.
You kinda crashed out and lost the plot, you were claiming that leftists were doing lots of voting up until 2024, but you just confirmed my whole point that leftists did not vote.
Is that your excuse for blaming leftists instead of the political racketeers who got you into this situation in the first place?
Try harder.
Man you love the sound of your voice. I'm getting you sniff your farts vibe
Lol! Do you liberals ever stop projecting?
Not a liberal. But it's to be expected that the most productive dialog we can get out of someone like you is regurgitation of more labels and thought terminating cliches.
The void of inaction you have to offer the world is more empty phrases and faux anger. Keep at it. Things will change for better with or without you. The universe keeps moving on regardless of how much you choose to participate in it. You can contribute to building something or just sit here behind a keyboard sniffing your farts. You only get one life to live.
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck... and all that. You're a liberal.
You offer nothing except business as usual, liberal. And you can't stand it when actual leftists tell you to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Don't be angry at me, liberal. Your ideology were unmasked a long, long time ago - as far back as Malcolm X, in fact:
"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative." - Malcolm X
Don't be angry at me because you are that which you are.
All you can contribute is name calling people liberals just for daring to ask the left to become more politically effective
Thats all I asked for. I want the goal of the left to become reality. That's it. In order to do that, we have to be politically effective. If you have another strategy I'm all ears. What do you want? The revolution? Let's go, man. I'm right behind you! Let's do this. How do you want to get any of the lefts goals accomplished? Give me a roadmap. Anything. I'm 39. I've heard you guys yap about liberalism and fascism for over a dozen years and nothing, I mean nothing in terms of practical accomplishments. So give it to me, man. I'm all ears.
You have done nothing here except that which liberals have always done... attempting to co-opt leftists into helping you protect your precious status quo.
And you're getting pretty darn desperate about it, too.
Does it perhaps have anything to do with the fact that your precious liberal order was caught with it's hand in the genocide cookie jar and is now sinking faster than the Titanic, perhaps?
I notice you never answer or engage with anythitg I write. Why don't you?
Oh, you noticed that I only spend the bare minimum of my energy on liberals, eh?
Sure took you long enough.
The only thing you've contributed to this entire conversation is calling me a liberal. Nothing about strategy, solutions, concrete lines of actions, or plans. You do the same thing to other users as well. I don't think you have any answers. How is one to have a conversation with someone who has nothing to contribute? Are you here only to troll?
And why would I discuss any of this with an enemy?
Does anyone that question your methodology earn that title? How ought we to engage with you?
That's easy. Piss off. And take your liberal death cult with you - just like OP suggests.
Interesting. More name calling. So before we can discuss how to actualize anything concrete for the left we have to prove ourselves not liberals. We can't have a conversation until the liberal label has been extirpated. I'm ready. How do we do that?
Lol! Remember when I told you how you liberals really don't ever stand for anything?
And now suddenly you do?
I don't know what that means. All I learned from you is that to even begin to have a conversation I have to first testify under oath and somehow establish I'm not a liberal. I don't know what you want. Every question I pose is only met with another snide remark. But imma keep going because this is so bizzarre and fascinating.
Once again, what ought I do to establish I'm not a liberal?
So you are interested in making your attempts to co-opt and hijack leftist spaces to protect your precious liberal status quo less obvious?
You've made it impossible to falsify your claim even after I've asked you for your terms. All roads seem to lead to Rome in some way with you.
I will stop participating in liberal democracy. I will stop voting for any of the candidates because they all contribute to the status quo.
Please. Tell me: what ought we do? Do you have a road map or an effective strategy to achieve anything? I'd really like to know if there's a better way.
Thanks! <3
I've done nothing of the sort.
You can stop being a liberal any time you feel like - you don't need me to hold your hand through it... after all, you became a liberal without my help, did you not?
Cool. I've stopped being a liberal and I won't participate in electoral politics. After all, it all contributes to fascism one way or the another, amirite?
What should I do next? What's the strategy now? Is it more listening to you yap or is there an actual plan we can turn into concrete results? I'd like to know please
So which part of...
...are you having a hard time understanding?
Yea, I'm asking you what do we do next? Are you having a hard time understanding? It's the only question I've posed in this whole thread. Which part is confusing? What's the next step?
Who is "we," liberal?
You are on a leftist sub, lib - the only people skulking around here who will help you protect your precious status quo are your fellow libs.
So, again - which part of...
...are you having a hard time understanding?
Ah, I see. We're back to square one. The loop must go on. So again, we need to eliminate the liberalism out of me before we can talk leftist strategy. I said I got the liberal out. I stopped the liberalism. What's missing before we can move on to discussing strategy?
I'm beginning to believe you have no concrete strategy. I've only asked you ten times in this thread. I shall persist though. Together, we can find a viable path to implementing our - - sorry sorry! YOUR-- goals. I'm not allowed to be part of your in-group because I haven't proven myself "not liberal". That's a hurdle we still have to overcome apparently. This is fun!
Oh, you did, huh?
You took off your little ideology coat just like that, eh, liberal?
Do tell... what coat are you wearing now?
I'm an anarchist. Can we have a concrete plan of action? What do we do?
Okay, "anarchist..." what is it that you actually want?
Same thing I've been asking from the beginning: what's the concrete path to achieving our goals?
Sorry, "anarchist..." what is "our" goals again?
Generally a stateless and classless society free of the oppression and exploitation. However, at this point I'll settle for achieving anythitg that we want on the left of center. Really, I'd like anythitg (Universal Healthcare, parental leave, end of wage exploitation, etc).. I don't think what I'm asking is very mysterious. Would you like to obfuscate more or can you finally answer the question?
What's your path?
So all you actually want is another New Deal?
At this point I'll take anything. I'm starting to think you don't have any strategy at all...
I'll take that as a yes.
So as soon as some liberal comes around and offers you one, you'll be swapping your "anarchist" coat out again, huh?
Do tell... how did the last New Deal come into existence? Do you know?
You seem really invested in labels and qualifiers rather than accomplishing anything. The aesthetic of the left for its own sake. Kinda like college kids who put up a Cheguevara poster in their dorm room. I want to be on board with a movement that accomplishes something. I'm not really interested in the cosplay part of the left, ya dig? I'm pretty certain at this point you don't even have as much as the semblance of a strategy or plan for implementing.... anything really. Good luck to... whatever it is you're trying to do. Cheers.
So you don't even understand how this thing you want came into existence in the first place?
No, I understand fake cosplay from lame ass losers with no practical agency when I see it. Its all theater.
I'll take that as a no... which begs the question - what are you doing here?
You expect the left to give you something that only liberals will give you?
No, I don't. I want the left to give me anything as stated...many...many...times before.
You want the left to give you the first-world privileges and comforts the liberals were supposed to give you. Is that right?
Where are you getting all this from? "first world privileges"?? Why do you feel compelled to make stuff up? Why don't you ask me what I want? Hint: it's been mentioned several times in this thread. It's because you, masquenox, have nothing to offer apart from gate keeping and calling everyone you dislike 'liberals'. The left has plenty to offer but is hampered by imbeciles larping as 21st century leninists. Case in point.... Do better