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[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, this is super cool, and the data you scrapped makes a really compelling case that you were correct this entire time, Warren did split the vote.

So this might be a rhetorical question, but is there a lesson that leftists and progressives can take away from this? Does there need to be a clearer direction on leftist unity when approaching a DNC primary to influence the outcome? Did leftists give up way too fast after Super Tuesday? Were leftists too easily influenced by Obama and TV coverage?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

but is there a lesson that leftists and progressives can take away from this?

Idk if there's a magic bullet Dems could have used in 2020 to win the primary, if that's what you mean. Sometimes the deck is simply stacked against you.

Prior to 2000, I think there was a real demand within the Left/Progressive movement for a third party. Then Nader took the blame for Gore losing and The Green Party as a project fell apart (more or less taking the Libertarians with it).

Now we've got Berniecrats convinced Dem Entryism is the solution. But the caveat to Entryism is that you need to be party loyal even when the party is shit. So Bernie gets rug pulled by the DNC in '16 and '20 but still stubbornly stumps for Hillary and Biden. Still gets all of the blame. Still gets none of the credit. Still has no material influence in the party. Neither does AOC.

So that doesn't seem to work, either.

I don't have an answer, but it seems like Liberal media and money is a monumental problem for either the outsider or insider strategy.

So long as leftists remain the whipping boy of the party - whether its blaming the LGBTQ community for Trump or environmentalists for Bush or anti-War activists for Nixon - they've got no mainstream future. They'll always be seen as spoiler candidates in the lens of a corporate media.

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Somehow there has to be a way for leftists to just stop feeling bad about themselves and get a win somewhere.