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[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Hey, there is an entire wayland bad x11 good article hidden in the last 4/5ths of the article!

Anyway, the article seems to argue that "toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg".
It seems to me that now that wayland has become the clear focus of development, most devs sinply want X11 to remain as a legacy element, not causing unnecessary issues elsewhere, just remaining on lts.
The train has sailed, wayland is the norm and everyone is working on implementing the last leftovers the article is parading in its weird latter half, rather than through much greater efforts achieving worse results in patching up X11.
They should have forked X 10 years ago, when people were still interested in improving it.

It being left behind is a logical and fully adequate explanation, arguing eee makes little sense when wayland is clearly a simpler protocol. If you wanted to harm linux or foss, and your plan was the transition to wayland and freezing of X11 development, I would call you stupid.

I don't see why this fork, and this article, have to get conspiritorial about something this easily explained.

Now that we have the conspiracy crap addressed: wayland defense time

The Reg FOSS desk is nearing 60, [...] He doesn't care about [...] high and variable refresh rates, tear-free video,

My fancy new monitor I got in '22 doesn't work on X11. I'd have to replace my other monitors with matching new ones for a few grand, or keep watching videos and all else at 15fps, getting a headache. If you wanna keep your crt, why not keep an ancient X11, why this fork?
X11 doesn't support normal modern hardware, my monitor wasn't even special, it's just higher fps than my other monitors and 4k.

Wayland does not currently allow controlling window position. This means that when you open KiCad, it cannot remember where you last placed your windows.

The window pos remembering api (name made up by me, I forgot the real one) has been finalized, and will be in this or the next KDE version, etc.. The wayland people are fixing the criticism faster than the critics can shorten their list of remaining issues.

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uhhhh... ok that's all the wayland criticism, 'cause surprise, the last 2/5ths of the article are actually a rant about ... gnome? I think?
Something about no more shortcut support or how removing title bars is bad and the gnome disk manager has bad ui.
Idk my shortcuts are better than ever and my title bars were still there last time I checked.
But maybe this "big no-accessibility" is why absolutely no tiling dwms have ever been seen for wayland ever. If you switch to wayland you will have to tile by mouse exclusively, you heard it here first!

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

absolutely no tiling dwms have ever been seen for wayland ever

hyprland? dwl?

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

None ever, yes.
Not sure what you mean to ask there, but I gotta say hyprland would make a sick name for a tiling dwm.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hyprland and dwl are actual, existing tiling dwms for Wayland.

i wonder what you thought "dwl" stood for lol

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

could you hold this "s" for a while? I need the / it was leaning on for some webdev.

According to AcronymFinder, the leading search result for "acronym finder", dwl means "dying with laughter". In combination with a questionmark it would form an exclamation of disbelief.

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