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[ANSWERED] What's going on with some person seemingly called "PirateSoftware" and the stop killing games campaign? (lemmy.abnormalbeings.space)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space to c/outoftheloop@lemmy.world

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Saw people talking in comments at several places now, expressing animosity towards them to say the least, always presented as something that everyone seems to know about.

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[+] Brewchin@lemmy.world -20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He's a game developer and Twitch streamer (game dev and playing) who's become very popular in the last few years.

The latest pile-on against him is due to him having some reservations about the wording and intent of the petition/movement and, because we're currently in a era where False Dichotomy is king: anything other than 100% unquestioning support is treated as 100% unequivocal opposition, and vice versa. 😒

My understanding is that he thinks it's a good idea in principle (as do I), but games are no longer simply compiled with only the occasional update or patch, but multi-server online complex systems with a lot of moving parts. Of you're going to legislate immortality on games, then you're going to need to make your argument for it clear and robust, who has responsibility for what, how deprecating technology is handled, and so on.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 33 points 1 day ago

The latest pile-on against him is due to him having some reservations about the wording and intent of the petition/movement and, because we’re currently in a era where False Dichotomy is king: anything other than 100% unquestioning support is treated as 100% unequivocal opposition, and vice versa. 😒

His video's thumbnail is literally him throwing the petition into a dumpster. If we were not meant to see him as 100% in opposition, that's kind of on him TBH. He certainly communicates that way.

Of you’re going to legislate immortality on games, then you’re going to need to make your argument for it clear and robust, who has responsibility for what, how deprecating technology is handled, and so on.

Missing the point, as it's not a piece of legislation, it's a petition. Nobody expects it to be turned directly into law, but for the successful petition to start a process between various interest groups ultimately resulting in a law that's a compromise. Of course, if you tell people not to sign the petition, that process will never start in the first place.

[–] Winter_Oven@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm, I would like to add on a couple of points to you reply (against your reply, now that I reread it):

I feel that he really was 100 percent in opposition against the movement, no?
About the movement, the creator of the movement also agrees that the movement can most probably not be applied to current games today, as it can be unfeasible for the exact same points you say, he wants it to be applied to future games being developed, by having the end of life of games be considered right from the beginning of games.
Moreover, about the legislative part of it, doesn't a petition not need to deal with the exact legal wording? I belived petitions to be more like "hey, this is what the idea is, and this many people support it". More like a letter to like actual law makers that this is a problem, and we need laws regarding this problem. Then the clear and robust arguments for each of the (very valid, of course!) problems and caveats you mention will need to be clearly articulated by them.

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 18 points 1 day ago

He has literally said on stream that he's willing to actively campaign against SKG. While tbf he hasn't actually done so beyond the 2 (ish) video that he's done signalling his opposition. It's 100% fair to say he opposes SKG.

You have a better understanding of the movement now than the 2 top level commenters, OP.

Edit: it is PirateSoftware's spread of misinformation, as you've seen firsthand, and his refusal to redact any of it nor to talk with SKG's organiser that drew many people's ire. All these resurfaced again recently because SKG's organiser made a video on the imminent failure of the EU petition and mentioned in the video that unfortunately PirateSoftware was the biggest voice that mentioned SKG.