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Discussion - Potential piefed instance in the future? (infosec.pub)
submitted 3 days ago by fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Hello m@teys,

I've been waiting for this a long time (half a year), personally. After seeing the surge in piefed instances, i.e. blahaj, .ca, .zip, quokk.au, and .world creating their own instances, and clients guaranteeing future piefed support, we've been thinking about potentially opening an instance in the future. Not a guarantee, just an idea. This isn't a voting thread, just a discussion. Later on we'll actually vote on this.

Do note that this thread will not guarantee an instance; we are discussing a hypothetical. Suggestions? Ideas? Criticisms? make your voice heard.

Have a good week!

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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

rimu has said he’ll make it more neutral

I'll believe it when I see it.

It's an odd thing - the Lemmy devs are notoriously opinionated and intolerant, and are constantly castigated for it, but I don't recall ever seeing even a single hint of their opinions or even their intolerance baked into the Lemmy software.

Piefed, meanwhile, is a direct reflection of the dev's biases right from the start, and with everything from the curated subscription lists to the karma and private voting, seems designed explicitly for the purpose of empowering bias.

Say what you will about Dessalines and Nutomic - at least they keep their biases to their own instance and out of the Lemmy software. And further, they appear to have gone to some lengths to make the software as neutral as possible - not only not reflecting any specific bias but limited in ways that make it difficult for it to even be used to impose bias.

And the same can NOT be said for Rimu and Piefed.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Perfectly put, .world is already turning into a new Reddit and Piefed is perfectly made to encourage turning into a new Reddit once all the .world'ers move there

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly my concern. It's gotten too much exposure too quickly recently, so it doesn't feel organic, and between subscription gatekeeping, software level censorship snd the reputation anti-features, it just feels like it's been cynically designed specifically to undermine the benefits of the fediverse and turn it into another place where narratives can and will be shaped and controlled.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Lemmy jumped to 60k users during the Reddit API fiasco, this time it was the Lemm.ee shutdown that gave people an incentive to look for options to migrate their communities

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876780

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

private voting

After having discussed with a few people, Rimu agreed to drop the private voting. The system will switch to two votes button

This provides better transparency than Lemmy, as users are now complaining about tool like lemvotes: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48233901/19876557

[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait for real? Damn that sucks that was by far the best killer feature.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, Rimu listened to the feedback, both on https://piefed.social/post/956572?sort=new#post_replies and Matrix

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems like maybe that was premature considering a lot of people are still surprised by this. I'm on here pretty much daily and hadn't heard of it. Also it's incredibly shitty to stovepipe that conversation on matrix. It's the same shit reddit mods do with discord.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The discussion was open on both Matrix and Piefed, as shows the link above

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seeking stakeholder involvement is the product of publicity and outreach, not just technically something being in public. I do a lot of community organizing and local government stuff and "the meeting was public" doesn't cut it if you don't advertise it. In fact, people will rightfully get pissed off if you say that.

I'm not going to spend a bunch of time worrying about this either way, but a bunch of devs and admins talking about it on matrix isn't exactly community outreach. Rimu puts universal messages for other things, so it seems like that could have drawn some more widespread input.

And again I know this isn't the place to debate this, but a lot of users in that thread seem to want to preserve private voting. It's mostly admins and devs punting on the issue.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Seeking stakeholder involvement is the product of publicity and outreach, not just technically something being in public. I do a lot of community organizing and local government stuff and “the meeting was public” doesn’t cut it if you don’t advertise it. In fact, people will rightfully get pissed off if you say that.

This was posted in the Piefed_meta community, where else was it supposed to be posted?

Also, the new version of voting allows private local vote, and public federated vote. Obfuscating the federated votes was trivial to overcome

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Fwiw he repealed most of the karma system, and made it completely optional; so it's gotten better. But i see where you're going at, thanks for your input