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Discussion - Potential piefed instance in the future? (infosec.pub)

submitted 3 days ago by fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Hello m@teys,

I've been waiting for this a long time (half a year), personally. After seeing the surge in piefed instances, i.e. blahaj, .ca, .zip, quokk.au, and .world creating their own instances, and clients guaranteeing future piefed support, we've been thinking about potentially opening an instance in the future. Not a guarantee, just an idea. This isn't a voting thread, just a discussion. Later on we'll actually vote on this.

Do note that this thread will not guarantee an instance; we are discussing a hypothetical. Suggestions? Ideas? Criticisms? make your voice heard.

Have a good week!

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[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (12 children)

iirc Piefed started as a small personal project, so it was quite opinionated. Now that there's more users rimu has said he'll make it more neutral, and give more power to instance admins.

And yep, it's a second, separate instance

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (11 children)

rimu has said he’ll make it more neutral

I'll believe it when I see it.

It's an odd thing - the Lemmy devs are notoriously opinionated and intolerant, and are constantly castigated for it, but I don't recall ever seeing even a single hint of their opinions or even their intolerance baked into the Lemmy software.

Piefed, meanwhile, is a direct reflection of the dev's biases right from the start, and with everything from the curated subscription lists to the karma and private voting, seems designed explicitly for the purpose of empowering bias.

Say what you will about Dessalines and Nutomic - at least they keep their biases to their own instance and out of the Lemmy software. And further, they appear to have gone to some lengths to make the software as neutral as possible - not only not reflecting any specific bias but limited in ways that make it difficult for it to even be used to impose bias.

And the same can NOT be said for Rimu and Piefed.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Perfectly put, .world is already turning into a new Reddit and Piefed is perfectly made to encourage turning into a new Reddit once all the .world'ers move there

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly my concern. It's gotten too much exposure too quickly recently, so it doesn't feel organic, and between subscription gatekeeping, software level censorship snd the reputation anti-features, it just feels like it's been cynically designed specifically to undermine the benefits of the fediverse and turn it into another place where narratives can and will be shaped and controlled.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Lemmy jumped to 60k users during the Reddit API fiasco, this time it was the Lemm.ee shutdown that gave people an incentive to look for options to migrate their communities

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876780

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