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As of 30 minutes ago at the time of posting, the NYPD has detained two young Black men after they refused their demands to show ID without explanation or cause. (files.catbox.moe)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

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The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.

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[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If lots of states allow cops to require you to provide your name and you don't, isn't that refusal to comply with a lawful order, and thus a crime?

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Failure to id is a secondary crime, you first need to be lawfully detained/lawfully suspected of a crime, before id can be demanded in 24 states. In the remaining states you need to be arrested before id can be demanded. Driving a motor vehicle is different though. As long as an officer had a reasonable reason for pulling you over, they can id you even if you dispell their suspicions prior to providing ID. If you're pulled over, it's best to always provide ID.

So it's only a lawful order if the police follow the law, if they just walk down the street randomly asking people for id, then failure to comply with their unlawful demands can be thrown out by the courts. Of course the police can just lie and make up a reason they suspected you of a crime, which is why some states have made things like "smelling marijuana" not enough on it's own.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The driver can be IDed while driving, but no one else is obligated to provide proof of ID as they are not lawfully nor unlawfully operating a motor vehicle.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Good point to clarify.

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

Thanks for the extra info, I'm not from the US so I was going just from the information provided by the comment above.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago

Sure, but if they demand your name, you tell them your name, they can't then demand your ID to prove it