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Brace yourself: it is about to get worse. r/RedditAlternatives has some interesting posts saying how Reddit is about to ditch their modmail in exchange for their "chat" function (that has never worked correctly... ever).
Apparently all/most social media these days has taken an extremist turn - e.g. supporters of Luigi feel emboldened to rant and rave against instance admins and mods by virtue of the "righteousness" of their cause, ignoring things such as how dubvee.org is located in the USA, and therefore the instance admin could end up in an actual, irl and literal concentration camp by allowing that content onto their machine. Shutting his instance down is the only sane option in that context.
Whereas him leaving is just for personal reasons of being burnt-out, as we can well understand - humans can so exceedingly toxic and Lemmy, by virtue of connecting humans, can thus be a conduit to a great deal of shit (especially directed at an admin/mod).
*rolls eyes* "Great".
I might be wrong, but I think this whole issue boils down to four vices brought from Reddit: assumptions, decontextualisation, genetic fallacy, oversimplification. Those four on their own already make social media hostile, but if you couple them with political engagement (otherwise a great thing), you'll get people who genuinely see no difference between "they euthanised a 11yo dog with cancer" and "they kill puppies".
Or between "free Luigi" and "
$CEO_nameneeds a Luigi in their life". Both show support to the same cause, but only the later can be reasonably understood as a call to violence (to the point it'd bring the admin troubles.)The card says moops after all...
This is a reference to one of the episodes within Innuendo Studios' The Alt Right Playbook series, and more generally how people talk emotionally not on top of but in place of logic - exactly as AI does today except these kids have been doing it on the Internet since Eternal September and more widely speaking since before human beings were homo sapiens.
i.e. it's not going away anytime soon, and since we keep throwing out all of the old wisdom, we'll need to find replacements, as we FAAFO all this live. e.g. Lemmy threw out karma as some kind of measure of someone's age and popularity, but... what does it offer to replace what karma was used for, on forum boards that even predated Reddit by decades? Nothing, which makes this akin to 4chan where the burden of examining each and every message purely on its own merits a daunting and dare I say grueling task at scale, especially for mods and admins.
Lemmy was only ever going to work as a tiny forum board - it simply refuses to grow.
Then again, Reddit is somehow worse so... again, brace yourself, because the next wave is coming!
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm worried the next wave might make Lemmy even worse than Reddit in this aspect.
Lemmy encourages politicisation. It's generally a good thing, but politics raise the stakes of everything, so being political and irrational is way worse than being unengaged and irrational.
What would happen if you get an influx of people from a platform that actively encourages irrationality, landing into one where a huge amount of people are politicised? A: newcomers who were "eating crayons" in Reddit are given a box with 48 huge crayons, and competing to see which one eats them the fastest.
I genuinely hate karma, I think it encourages mindlessly posting common denominator stuff, but I wouldn't be opposed to that if handled like Slashdot handles it - it doesn't give you a karma number, it only tells you your karma is "good" or "bad".
I feel like part of that is scope: Lemmy as a software is trying too hard to be "federated Reddit", filling the exact same niche as Reddit, to the point advertising Lemmy means "to make it appealing for Reddit users". And, in the process, losing access to potential new userbases.
Think on it this way: most of what we do here is to discuss things. Like in Reddit and in forums, but also in comment sections of random sites. Why isn't Lemmy trying to capitalise on that, and eat a chunk of Disqus' pie too? Fuck, we could have Lemmy built into the discussion sections for random wikis out there. (And if not Lemmy, at least some ActivityPub software that integrates really well with Lemmy.) It would be an amazing way to bring in new fresh blood without it being necessarily from that shithole, or social media platforms in general.