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Did you not spot the "ethically and collectively" part? It's very near the start of the comment and invalidates your entire objection.
Couldn't agree more if I tried. Except I'd change "even" to "especially". Minimizing of pain, remember?
Again, ethical and collective hedonism inevitably includes such sacrifice for the common good
Collective hedonism is an abstract ideal that has not quite had any real world application. I have met quite a few hedonistic individuals but have yet to see a successfully and consistently hedonistic group. It's hard to get a large group to agree on what is meaningfully pleasurable. For the purposes of this discussion it's too abstract to be relevant and even if it was I'm still not quite sure why it would be 'badass' as doing the pleasurable thing often does not coincide with doing the right thing.
Collective pleasure does not exist with any degree of permanence but collective prevention of harm absolutely does, and often requires sacrifice / hardship, which is what I would define as "badass"