Europe
Europe community on dbzer0. Intended to be a place to discuss European news, politics, or just general topics from a European perspective. Since this is on dbzer0 expect the community to lean more leftist-anarchist but a wide range of views are accepted here (within reason).
Rules:
1. No Bigotry or Hate Speech
Any forms of Homophobia, Transphobia, Queerphobia, Racism, or Ableism will be met with swift and harsh action and will not be tolerated here whatsoever. Bigots will be banned immediately on-sight. This includes apologia of it.
Trying to be politely or intellectually bigoted i.e. "Just asking questions" won't be tolerated.
2. No Zionism
Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism.
Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.
Note: Trying to find loopholes or whataboutery to see what is or isn't genocide denial or Zionism will be treated as a violation of this rule. Don't test us.
3. Stay Civil
Please maintain civil discourse in the community. Do not engage in arguments with others, name-calling, or insults. Note that calling out bigotry or Zionism is not considered an insult. In heated arguments users are encouraged to or even required to disengage failure to do so will result in mod action.
4. No Misinformation
Spreading of misinformation intentionally in this community is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Spreading misinformation hurts the credibility of the community and can mislead people sometimes in dangerous ways. Users who intentionally post misinformation as articles, comment answers, or in attempt to win arguments will be actioned swiftly.
Note: This includes Russian and Chinese propaganda. Users with a history of such posting will be banned on sight.
5. No AI Content
Please do not post articles or content primarily created using generative AI. Generative AI content may contain misinformation or be lower quality and thus is discouraged. Posts and comments featuring it will be removed. However this community does not allow or tolerate Anti-AI trolling or hostility and users who engage in such behavior will be actioned for it, additionally Anti-AI trolling violates Rule 3 and often Rule 4 so it is generally unacceptable already.
Note: Rules 1 & 2 may be subject to preemptive mod action due to their severity, and they apply to a user's entire post history. Not just this community.
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Happy to keep debating. Less so if we’re just going to trade insults. If you have a solid point, make it, no need to get nasty.
The CJEU ruling did say that member states can’t ban plant-based products from using meat-related terms if the labeling is clear. That’s literally what it ruled. You don’t get to rewrite case law just because it doesn’t fit your perspective.
No one is selling something called just “chicken” when it’s made from plants — it’s always labeled “vegan chicken”, “plant-based chicken”, etc. That’s not misleading. That’s clear communication, and it works — the CJEU said this is fine as long as the ingredients list is transparent.
Dismissing the examples of almond milk, beefsteak tomatoes, or coconut cream just because they don’t fit your argument doesn’t make them disappear. Language evolves. These aren’t “gotchas” — they’re everyday proof of how people understand food labeling in real life.
If your main concern is protecting consumers, we agree. But pretending this is some epidemic of deception when zero data backs that up? That’s just the meat lobby talking.
There. Is. No. Such. Thing.
I don't anymore think you are that dim as nobody can be. You must be arguing in bad faith than.
"beefsteak tomatoes" is an actual NAME of these tomatoes.
almond milk & coconut cream - this is EXACTLY the same situation as with burgers.
Now, it is clear you are arguing in bad faith. Disengage.
Then you have a problem with reality itself, I highly encourage you to visit plant based alternative aisles if you can, to ground your arguments with facts. If you can't debate without being condescending, we're done here. Bye.