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Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don't have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.
It's specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn't really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.
How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)
Do you know that or are you speculating?
Corporations do not give a single fuck about "angry, organized people", only money.
They care about bad PR. Angry, organized people can create lots of bad PR.
Look, this whole subthread is jumping to conclusions based on speculation. Maybe they are using legal strategies, but that's not obvious.
Don't believe that either.
I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm asking questions.
Where did you ask a question in this reply chain?
Not me but
Copy the whole thing:
Beside the fact that it wasn't even you, they made a specific answer to that question as if it was authoritative. They were not "just asking questions", either.
You're being needlessly pedantic. If it makes you feel better, I can ask the question again:
How do they apply pressure?
I answered that above already. Good bye.
You didn't answer anything about why they would care about PR. Is it your position that people would stop using CCs because some entity got noisy about them being used to buy pr0n?
Maybe we can angrily organize against them?
That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.
Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these 'calls' for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.
Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.
Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.
mmmm yes America Daddy, hurt me so good, I love it! Trillion dollar industry is DEF hurting by me denying them pennies. You have awoken me, thank you!
Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.
Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their 'beliefs' when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.
What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?
They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What's a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats
Okay, you're allowed to be wrong
Thank you kindly 😘
I don't buy that, why would they have to care what these people think? Credit card companies have a history of being hostile to adult content, I think it's because the people who own them have an interest in controlling others.