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[โ€“] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm no expert on China, but coke processing is certain from the 11th century onwards, and suggested as early as the 4th century AD

Once a technology is established they do tend to be copied and used in surprising ways. The steam engine eventually replacing far more than just waterwheels has been brought up. It's that part where it goes from idea to first implementation where it gets harder - most people don't naturally want to gamble on an experiment. Building cultural institutions that allow for it anyway has been a big part of the modern history.

I don't understand how this is related to the idea being discussed, of the prospect of Roman mine rails being useful?

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh, sorry. I meant, yes, they probably would have been useful in certain existing mines once they were invented, like how steam engines eventually replaced horses (and camels) along existing major routes. But, if just baskets were doing fairly well in most mines, it would explain why nobody powerful sponsored the crucial first system. And it's not the small sort of thing a clever miner could improvise on their own.

You can use charcoal for pretty much the same thing as coke, although some coke might preform better than some charcoal and vice verse, so it's interesting they mention deforestation here. I know some areas of China are still forested, but it's a big place, and they did have huge cities and a huge population all the way through.