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Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It's good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It'll be less of an echo chamber that way.
Let's not paradox of tolerance this place into a Nazi bar
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to combat censorship from fascists.
Inviting them over there is NOT good. It'll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.
"Echo chambers" don't exist except on fascist forums.
You're saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.
Isn't the point of fediverse to provide an alternative to big tech where anyone can create an instance with their own rules? Its not really about having to be subject to everyones voice. Otherwise instances wouldn't have the ability to defederate.
And people as they got more familiar to the fediverse started either running their own or choosing instances that aligned with what they'd like to see and not see. So I see this thread more as people expressing what they'd like their instance to do when it comes to defederating or federating.
And if values don't align then people can switch to an instance that more closely does. So its less about voice, but having options to turn to compared to centralized sites where if you dislike the CEO, algorithm, or moderation policies there isn't much you can do other than leaving, but in the process lose access to all content and interaction.
My honest reaction exactly, and I have to say I feel like just being on lemmy for a little bit it does feel like a bit of a left wing eco chamber, which isn't necessarily that bad and it makes sense due to alot of left wing people migrating from twitter and the likes, idk it's just something I've noticed and wanted to mention
Yeah. I don't usually mind either too much. I think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here. Most lefties I find on here are cool, though. Just a slim minority of them, like the ones who get offended at you saying "bro"
Also, having a Trumpet on lemmy is infinitely better than the loli porn instances
Are you and the other mods aware that you can see who downvotes, and potentially ban systematic downvoters? That's a topic that is regularly debated, but I guess in your case it could be useful?
I'll take a look when I get the chance
MAGAhats are exactly the same as those who defend loli. Just ask Trump and Epstein.
I think it's completely fair to downvote Christian fundamentalists.
You literally have "nazi" in your username.
Sounds like you're drunk up on strawmen
yeah but we've seen with other social media platforms what happens when the conservatives come knockin'. Once the wave of conservative boomers and social outcasts comes the grifters will follow and it's the end of the platform.
That's due to algorithms. And again, you could just defed them.
It'll be defederated and just create new echo chambers.
If enough free-speech instances get defederated, then it will be the ones defederating that are left with an echo chamber.
Not everyone kneejerks defederation in this case. A lot of places just defed csam
And what is that acronym stand for? There is no "kneejerk" when collective defederation, save for outright removing the instance, is the only sane method of kicking out fascists.
A perfectly valid point. We always have to protect ourselves from the barbarians at the gate anyway.
If particular instances like blahaj.zone or beehaw wish to defederate them, that makes sense. But if they aren't botting/spamming or doing things that are illegal, I don't see a point in defederating.
How about when they are pushing the right to exist for marginalized groups? Or promoting forced relocations of people, without due process?
If defined correctly, that's bad.
Conservatives are all ok with it, and promoting it. Its a core tenet.
In what way? One's person "deportation to protect a nation's sovereign borders and rule of law" is another's "forced relocation." But at the same time, one's ethnic cleansing could be to another "deportation". To some people, a marginalised group is due to an inherent minority. Another person's marginalised group would be economic class or a traditionally suppressed group such as women. (Even then to some people, they'd claim women being expected to work instead of spending time with their families is evil corporate capitalist slavery)
You'd need specific examples.
I was going to say this. I'm not even from the United States btw. That's just how the fediverse and federation works.
Yeah. The fediverse will end up having stuff we don't like on it. What matters is that people are using it.
Well this instance has already been heavily defederated.
Do we know who defederated them?
Piefed.social has. I imagine blahaj and dbzer0 and many left-leaning instances.
Blahaj and dbzer0 makes sense tbh. They're kinda ideological safe spaces. All power to them.
It would behoove every instance to defed them.