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C'mon, Trotsky, don't be a dick (infosec.pub)
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[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Either they make on average above minimum wage due to tips, or they make minimum wage due to employer pay. In no case will their weekly pay fall below the hourly minimum wage, so all of their time is compensated (not well enough, of course, but minimum wage being inadequate is another discussion entirely).

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That is an awful argument.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Then it should be super duper easy for you to rebut.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not tipping punishes the wait staff by reducing their expected source of income that is tied to their labor with zero impact on tipping culture. Trying to justify that with 'but mah minimum wage' is just adding insult to injury.

People who refuse to tip on principle, but still go to places based on tipping culture are assholes. Trying to justify it is just doubling down.

If you want to punish the business owner, boycott the business. If you want tipping culture to end, work on legislation that allows it to exist.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Not tipping punishes the wait staff by reducing their expected source of income that is tied to their labor with zero impact on tipping culture. Trying to justify that with 'but mah minimum wage' just adds insult to injury.

Agreed.

People who refuse to tip on principle, but still go to places based on tipping culture are assholes. Trying to justify it is just doubling down.

Again, agreed.

If you want to punish the business owner, boycott the business. If you want tipping culture to end, work on legislation that allows it to exist.

Once again, I agree.

I'm not sure how this was supposed to be a rebuttal to the fact that servers are still compensated if you don't tip them, and that, contrary to what you said, there is no "free labor" involved.

Was this comment just unrelated soapboxing, or did you assume that I was making a moral argument of some sort instead of a factual one?

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Your point is like saying if you refuse to pay for a meal then you didn't get it for free because other people paid for their food. It is like saying that not paying overtime is fine because because they get their base wage.

Your 'technically they get minimum wage' ignores the whole point of tipping being tied directy to the service being provided that I was trying to point out it was fundamentally incorrect.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The difference, of course, being that tipping is optional (because the server still gets paid either way, by law), and that in all of the other cases the person has no other avenue to ensure that they receive compensation for their labor. Whether it's an asshole move or not is irrelevant to your assertion that you force servers to perform free labor by not tipping them, which is factually incorrect, as detailed above.