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At one point, Miller told the assembled local police officers, “I see the guns and badges in this room. You are unleashed. The handcuffs you’re carrying, they’re not on you anymore, they’re on the criminals. And whatever you need to get it done, we’re gonna get it done.”

The 40-year-old stated that they had deployed over 13 government agencies, including the FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, and the Department of Defense, which Hegseth has since rebranded as the “Department of War.”

“The gangbangers that you deal with, they think that they’re ruthless, they have no idea how ruthless we are,” Miller added.

“They think they’re tough, they have no idea how tough we are. They think that they’re hardcore, we are so much more hardcore than they are, and we have the entire weight of the United States government behind us. What do they have? They have nothing behind them. So we are gonna win, they’re gonna lose.”

At the Wednesday appearance, Hegseth thanked the assembled Memphis law officers for working in dangerous places “where politicians spend a lot of time second guessing... the impossible decisions that you have to make that they will never understand.”

Hegseth, Bondi and Miller spent around an hour in the Shelby County Office of Preparedness and left via the rear entrance, according to WREG TV.

Bondi said on X that 53 arrests had been made and 20 illegal firearms seized in the first two days of the Memphis Safe Task Force.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You are required to provide your license and registration if pulled over for a traffic stop. For a non-traffic stop, the police need an actual crime they suspect to require anything from you. For a border checkpoint you're not required to provide proof of citizenship if you're a citizen. Other than those requirements, you're not required to answer police questions. They're not your friends.

Police cannot search your vehicle without either a warrant or probable cause that the vehicle contains evidence of a crime (or voluntary consent that you shouldn't ever give). You must follow lawful orders (vague term so risky to challenge), so if they tell you to get out, you probably should, but getting out of your vehicle when instructed does not in any way then allow them to search your car outside of the above reasons. Just being pulled over for a moving violation doesn't mean they can then go fishing for something more serious.

All that said, if the cops don't know the law, you can assert your rights all you want and they'll still search your vehicle and/or arrest you for nothing. Your only recourse is waiting for someone who does know the law to release you, and if they performed an illegal search to get the results thrown out. It's easier for most people not to assert their fourth amendment rights. Even if you're innocent you can still be screwed by the arrest so people take the path of least resistance.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 3 days ago

if they tell you to get out, you probably should

* you 100% should, in literally every single situation I can think of unless your name is Tyre Nichols

getting out of your vehicle when instructed does not in any way then allow them to search your car outside of the above reasons

Correct... but advising people to "stand up for their rights" if they start searching it anyway (with or without a legal basis that the person doesn't understand on the spot), I think is a lot more likely to get them arrested for obstruction than it is to change the cops' mind about doing the search. And then once they're arrested for a pretty solid reason, they can do a tow inventory without worrying about the search getting tossed out later, so they're on ironclad footing as far as whatever they find. You're technically right but I think explaining a little more detail about what you are talking about would probably be a better way to talk about it, in terms of what will happen to anyone who listens to you, even if the idea is right.

Just being pulled over for a moving violation doesn’t mean they can then go fishing for something more serious.

It absolutely does. They can call for a dog, they can see something that's in plain sight, they can allegedly smell burnt marijuana and there's nothing on the bodycam to show that they didn't. They can ask you incriminating questions in a friendly fashion, which if you are smart you won't give much of any response to. They can decide you have glossy eyes and they want you to get out and do a field sobriety test, and then they can pat you down to make sure you don't have any weapons for officer safety. There are certain limits on how they can go fishing for something more serious, but they absolutely can make the attempt, and if they find something without crossing certain boundaries, then it's fair game and you can be fucked. And there are some boundaries on how you're allowed to resist their fishing that a lot of people don't have a clear understanding of the details of.

On the whole most of what you are saying is right. You are substantially ahead of the curve as far as Lemmy law knowledge. The little caveats above are just little nitpicks honestly. But my point is, people are idiots and frequently get themselves arrested because they took advice like "stand up for your rights" seriously and went to bat about it, without really understanding what their rights are and how to stand up for them. I think more detail and understanding is important to provide. That's all I'm saying.