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Zohran Mamdani gets faced with some nonsense about Gaza on The View, and gives an absolutely perfect and professional response (files.catbox.moe)

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Did he say Israel doesn’t deserve to exist (or however she phrased it)? That one jumped out at me.

Though I get it’s a manipulative strategy to throw out 100 things with a few fake things mixed in. There’s no way to respond to each point and also provide a good answer

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is a common framing. "Israel's right to exist" can be used by both sides as a way to reframe somebody into being some kind of monster.

This lady can say that, because some of the people Israel's been genociding are ready to do some genocide back at this point out of pure self preservation, anyone who defends those people in any way must disagree with Israel's "right to exist."

And, on the flip side, people on Lemmy can say that some particular user is a "Zionist" because they don't agree with destroying Israel. They are defending Israel's "right to exist," on stolen land and actively genociding its neighbors, founded as part of a Zionist project, and therefore, they are a "Zionist." I've seen people try to say Bernie Sanders or PugJesus is a Zionist for that reason for example. It's not even really wrong, I guess... anyone who disagrees with destroying Israel completely is, by one way of looking at it, a Zionist. It's just horribly misleading, which is why they like to make the accusation in that particular way.

Honestly I think the way Mamdani handles it is a masterful illustration of how to manage someone trying to paint you into a corner of things you didn't say: Put perspective on the issue they're trying to blow up into the whole conversation, define crystal-clearly what you actually do believe on that issue correcting them on what they tried to put in your mouth, and then forcefully make a case for what you believe and why it's right.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

So, I did some additional googling. It seems like they frame this by asking “Do you think Israel should be a Jewish state”.

As an American who believes you should have the right to choose your religion and no country should be run by a religion, the answer is a nuanced “No”.

But the people using bad faith arguments will ignore then nuance and say “You don’t believe Israel should exist”. Rather than “You believe Israel should exist with religious freedoms”.

Super dishonest, and yes, Mamdani handled it masterfully. All you can do is ignore the specifics and address feeling the question is getting at.