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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Blonde lady on the view is a genocide supporter. Fucking shocker.

[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"I think war crimes, genocide, killing children is bad, regardless of the reasoning, I believe in a universal standard of humanity for all"

"Some people disagree, myself included"

Absolute fucking vermin saying loud and clear on television, my respect for him not beating back her statement with profound derision went up, but there needs to be clarity on what these psychos are saying. What part of "don't do war crimes" do they specifically disagree with? What part of "all humans have rights" does she disagree with? Say it like it is, she's a bigoted Zionist.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was clearly in reference to her original question, where she states that he has questioned Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, etc. She is saying that some people disagree with some of his statements about Isreal in general not what he just said. Clearly Zohran understood that based on how evenly he replied.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

If so, that response was really poorly timed/should have included that clarity

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I wish more politicians were like him and less like the ghouls they are.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 45 points 1 week ago

Just say what's up. People like it. It takes a little bit of charisma to pull off, but the main obstacle with it is that you can't be trying to figure out some kind of compelling lie that you can tell so you can keep doing favors for your friends who are slaughtering human children, just whole stadiums full of little ones with their guts spilling out.

For most people in Washington, that's a deal breaker, so this kind of wildly popular election-winning formula is just off limits.

💔 Fuck the world

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Damn, that was a super classy response

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

God damn he’s awesome. I haven’t heard anything about him I don’t like.

[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I heard he chews loudly during meals

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t know who that lady was, but did she really just advocate for the mass murder of children on television?

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

She and the rest of the people trying their best to destroy this world with their weaponozed ignorance.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Outside the politics bit and the making it about New York because he's running for New York Mayor hence to represent all New Yorkers and their interests, I want to emphasise the core in his point that it's all about principles:

  • I have these Principles, my Principles apply the same to everybody, I stand by my Principles equally for all.

I just had this big discussion with colleague of mine who started a critique about the flotilla trying to get help to Gaza by mentioning some local (I'm not in the US) leftwing politician that's in it.

It really pissed me off because this has nothing to do with political affiliation and I don't care about political affiliation - it's about being against victimizing en masse people who did nothing wrong, because they're part of a specific ethnicity.

It's the principle of the thing - though shall not harm those who did you no wrong (even if they look like people who did do you wrong) - and the principle of the thing applies the same no matter which political forces have sided with whom.

Further, in my view it's the most immoral think imaginable to excuse mass murdering of civilians because one's political favorites have chosen a side: you're either a Moral person with a sense of Right and Wrong and hence whose judgment of the Right or Wrong of certain actions is based on the actions themselves (not on which tribes are seen as aligned with any side), or what you have is not Morals, just a doglike "follow the leader".

Anyway, it's nice to see somebody so nicelly making the point of "these are my principles and as principles they apply the same for everybody".

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 1 week ago
[–] Seefoo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like...what did he say that she disagrees with it? I assume she means the terminology "genocide", but come on, at this point hes freely speaking his mind, why nitpick and seem like the biggest witch in existence.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

I suspect that she means that Israel should be able to kill Palestinian families if they want to, and anyone who says otherwise is an enemy. Of course, she can't say that specifically, so she has to toss up strawmans about supporting Hamas's war crimes, or just say she "disagrees" without being specific.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I think that was in reference to her initial question that he has said that Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a Jewish state, or refused to affirm that.

[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Failed to load media. Was this taken down?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Still works for me. Are you on Tor / VPN?

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot of people have problems with catbox. It's the best compromise for video clip hosting imo, but I have yet to ever find a better one (and I've done a lot of looking). There will always be a fair percentage that just can't access the site for whatever reason.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Never works for me. I get that people are pushing hard to move away from YouTube, but if the choice is between YouTube or a broken link that doesn't work, maybe just suck it the fuck up and use a YouTube link until a reliable alternative is available?

That might’ve been it. I can see it now :) Thanks

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did he say Israel doesn’t deserve to exist (or however she phrased it)? That one jumped out at me.

Though I get it’s a manipulative strategy to throw out 100 things with a few fake things mixed in. There’s no way to respond to each point and also provide a good answer

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is a common framing. "Israel's right to exist" can be used by both sides as a way to reframe somebody into being some kind of monster.

This lady can say that, because some of the people Israel's been genociding are ready to do some genocide back at this point out of pure self preservation, anyone who defends those people in any way must disagree with Israel's "right to exist."

And, on the flip side, people on Lemmy can say that some particular user is a "Zionist" because they don't agree with destroying Israel. They are defending Israel's "right to exist," on stolen land and actively genociding its neighbors, founded as part of a Zionist project, and therefore, they are a "Zionist." I've seen people try to say Bernie Sanders or PugJesus is a Zionist for that reason for example. It's not even really wrong, I guess... anyone who disagrees with destroying Israel completely is, by one way of looking at it, a Zionist. It's just horribly misleading, which is why they like to make the accusation in that particular way.

Honestly I think the way Mamdani handles it is a masterful illustration of how to manage someone trying to paint you into a corner of things you didn't say: Put perspective on the issue they're trying to blow up into the whole conversation, define crystal-clearly what you actually do believe on that issue correcting them on what they tried to put in your mouth, and then forcefully make a case for what you believe and why it's right.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

So, I did some additional googling. It seems like they frame this by asking “Do you think Israel should be a Jewish state”.

As an American who believes you should have the right to choose your religion and no country should be run by a religion, the answer is a nuanced “No”.

But the people using bad faith arguments will ignore then nuance and say “You don’t believe Israel should exist”. Rather than “You believe Israel should exist with religious freedoms”.

Super dishonest, and yes, Mamdani handled it masterfully. All you can do is ignore the specifics and address feeling the question is getting at.