1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn't want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he's doing his stream
Do you agree with the Hasan subreddit that she obviously caught her dew claw on the bed? Or did she maybe just bump her leg on the bed and that was what caused her to suddenly yelp in pain?
(Edit: Fuck me, I'm saying "bed" now. It's a weird little hard platform, it's clearly not a bed.)
From what I can see in this clip it's at least plausible that it was a dew claw or the dog equivalent of bashing your funny bone, I can't rule out the possibility that he's using a shock training collar of some kind, but there's absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either. If it was a shock collar it was clearly not an extremely high output setting or for an unreasonable duration, not even close to evidence of animal abuse.
So, um, why is Hasan angry at the dog then? And why is he 100% unbothered by the dog clearly being in pain for one reason or another?
there’s absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either
"It didn't happen, but if it did they deserved it anyway" ass excuse. What is this potentially responsible usage in this case? Forcing the dog to stay in the exact same spot for four hours of the stream because it's a cute prop?
What is this potentially responsible usage in this case?
It's part of the progression. You say something that sounds "defense adjacent," and is also true. The other option is to just attack the person speaking, or to attack the victim. Dealing with the facts at hand is right out.
Honestly, having watched some of Hasan's stream today, I kind of get where they pick it up from. He spent, no lie, about 40 minutes just talking continuously about how "they" are out to get him and "they" just think every bad thing about him and obviously he would never hurt his dog and she's super well trained, basically just doing everything possible to dodge or deflect the accusation, but always in this incredibly condescending tone of voice like what he is saying is obviously the truth and anyone who doesn't think so is stupid. He actually, to his credit, did address it head-on somewhat after those 40 minutes were up, but still in the most backwards ass way possible (search for "ants" to see my comment about some of the more batshit things he said).
Calling it "angry" is an overstatement, he sounds annoyed, and probably because he's in the middle of doing his full time job which appears to be an enormous pain in the ass in part thanks to weird obsessed people like you. The "potentially responsible use case" for a training collar is training, fucking duh, the only people generally committed to not accepting that fact are PETA types and nobody cares what they think so you're gonna have to do better than this if you want anyone to take you seriously. Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I've seen a 56 second clip and a time lapse that claims 4 hours but features multiple extremely obvious cuts, again you're gonna have to do better.
The “potentially responsible use case” for a training collar is training, fucking duh
So what is he training the dog to do?
Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I’ve seen a 56 second clip
The clip is the crux of the evidence. The time lapse is just to contextualise how much the dog has moved. Let's assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?
Having a dog stay in a bed or crate when they've been a pain in the ass is actually pretty common and I think you already know that, it's called time-out and it's also commonly used with small children and nobody with a working brain calls that abusive either
The clip does fuck all to even hint at abuse, the time lapse has multiple obvious cuts making any claim about the duration shown or the location of the dog for that duration entirely worthless, your commitment to pretending otherwise makes it extremely obvious that you don't actually care what the truth is and are just looking for an excuse to smear a streamer you don't like
Having a dog stay in a bed or crate when they’ve been a pain in the ass is actually pretty common and I think you already know that
This is absolutely wrong. One of the most important things about crate training is that you don't use "go to your crate!" as a punishment. It's an emotionally satisfying thing to do if you're having trouble with your anger or something, but it absolutely fucks up the dog's training that you are trying to do (or what you should be trying to do, I'm going under the assumption that you're not a psychopath here).
I don't really know shit about dog training, but even I know that.
You also shouldn't say "Kaya! Please!" "Go ba--" "Stop!" when what you mean is "Place!" and the dog didn't do a damn wrong. But again, I already know that me saying these things is going to mean nothing to you. Just one of you guys found a new way to piss me off with animal-abuse-apologia, so I wanted to say something about it.
"Following you around" lol you're still posting about the same inane shit on a platform I use, you're not being followed you came here voluntarily dumbass
Making another post will absolutely not help your credibility, what it will do is lend more credence to the idea that you are an obsessed Hasan hater on a smear campaign
Oh, I didn't even notice that this particular message from you saying "you still have no evidence and no credibility" was unlike the other ones actually in response to something I said to you. I guess that's legit lol.
Anyway how bout that contrast-adjusted image? What do you feel like those little circles are likely to be?
Lol definitely not beating the “obsessed with Hasan” allegations anytime soon, still no evidence still no credibility, consider seeking professional help
I feel like the photo of the shock collar itself (look at the contrast-adjusted version), clearly showing the tape and outlines of the prong sockets, as well as what model it is, could in some environments be considered "evidence." But I know we all have our definitions about things. If only I had gone on stream and gotten really condescending about how I was right and all my enemies were stupid, instead of wasting my time with looking at Hasan's own video...
I think probably going forward I will confine the new posts to that community for a while, I don't see the need to be spamming main video communities with more than 1-2 Hasan posts at a time. But absolutely we can keep going if you're into it! Let me know.
It's funny how you're coming up with a barrage of excuses for every possible option, even ignoring Hasan's own statements. Why are you defending him from the claim that he used a shock collar if he literally said it's not a shock collar at all? If the sped up video is not proof that the dog was kept in one single place the entire time, why defend the idea that the dog was kept there for hours on end? If the dog wasn't forced to be there, why was Hasan angry at it for walking out?
You're really not interested in the truth yourself - you're not trying to explain the video itself, judging the likelihood of this and that explanation against each other, it's just about finding every explanation that excuses Hasan, no matter how nonsensical. That's also why you ignored my question (Let’s assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?) - you can't even theoretically imagine something that could convince you he did shock the dog.
Personally, I have a mild dislike for streamers in general (Hasan not particularly standing out among them), it's a weird and evidently socially unhealthy phenomenon, but in this case I'd probably forget about the situation within a day if I didn't see so much aggressive, vitriolic and gaslight-y defending of the guy from his fans.
is actually pretty common and I think you already know that, it’s called time-out and it’s also commonly used with small children and nobody with a working brain calls that abusive either
"Time out" for hours on end - that would veer into abusiveness.
Idk whether you're a phillip alt or just indistinguishably brain-poisoned and I don't particularly care, nothing presented here is evidence of animal abuse and your insistence on pretending otherwise is not helping your credibility. If you want normal people to accept the idea that Hasan is abusing his dog you're going to have to do better than a clip of it yipping once and a heavily edited time lapse of it laying down.
They've got a new theory that every single person who is upset about this just got spun up by some equally vacuous anti-Hasan streamer (or, in this case, the "livestreamFail" community on Reddit).
They all started saying it (sometimes even accusing particular people of being fans of some particular anti-Hasan streamer), coincidentally just today right after Hasan spent about 45 minutes on stream saying, more or less, the exact same thing, just over and over again in between saying how awesome he is to his dog, how well-trained she is, how over-the-top correct he is in all his decisions, and how often she's on stream (and someone not managing to say "and I love her and she's the best" which honestly would have been a lot more convincing as an explanation for why he would never deliberately hurt her.)
A correct theory, a whole bunch of the push behind this and most other attempts to make people hate Hasan are from Ethan Klein and his fans, I'd say that pretending otherwise would hurt your credibility but as previously stated you have none
I don't find spammers' random cryptic fantasies about me to be obvious. Neither does your comment seem to actually relate to the above one, other than displaying a similar type of incoherent verbal aggression.
Nothing incoherent or random or cryptic about it lol, I'm clearly suggesting that you're just another Hasan hater on smearing duty, and my accusations are a whole lot more credible than yours are
Pointing out obvious stuff captured on video being described as "psychotic" is pretty random in my book, just throwing insults around. Nothing cryptic? So what's my "favourite subreddit" then? Because I'm still wondering. And it is definitely incoherent on your part, considering you claim I'm terminally online, after I posted a total of two comments ITT and yourself currently having no fewer than 38 comments.
Nothing in the videos presented here is in any way an obvious indication of animal abuse, which is the accusation being made, and while I think describing the behavior of the people pushing these accusations as "psychotic" is a bit of an exaggeration it's definitely not a huge one, this shit is not normal or healthy. The subreddit they're referring to is h3h3, fucking duh, don't play dumb. Nothing incoherent about calling out bullshit where and when I see it, your commitment to this obvious and pathetically flimsy smear campaign is in fact an indication of terminality regardless of the number of comments posted, people who aren't way too fucking online are blissfully unaware of this nonsense.
Do you agree with the Hasan subreddit that she obviously caught her dew claw on the bed? Or did she maybe just bump her leg on the bed and that was what caused her to suddenly yelp in pain?
(Edit: Fuck me, I'm saying "bed" now. It's a weird little hard platform, it's clearly not a bed.)
From what I can see in this clip it's at least plausible that it was a dew claw or the dog equivalent of bashing your funny bone, I can't rule out the possibility that he's using a shock training collar of some kind, but there's absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either. If it was a shock collar it was clearly not an extremely high output setting or for an unreasonable duration, not even close to evidence of animal abuse.
So, um, why is Hasan angry at the dog then? And why is he 100% unbothered by the dog clearly being in pain for one reason or another?
"It didn't happen, but if it did they deserved it anyway" ass excuse. What is this potentially responsible usage in this case? Forcing the dog to stay in the exact same spot for four hours of the stream because it's a cute prop?
It's part of the progression. You say something that sounds "defense adjacent," and is also true. The other option is to just attack the person speaking, or to attack the victim. Dealing with the facts at hand is right out.
Honestly, having watched some of Hasan's stream today, I kind of get where they pick it up from. He spent, no lie, about 40 minutes just talking continuously about how "they" are out to get him and "they" just think every bad thing about him and obviously he would never hurt his dog and she's super well trained, basically just doing everything possible to dodge or deflect the accusation, but always in this incredibly condescending tone of voice like what he is saying is obviously the truth and anyone who doesn't think so is stupid. He actually, to his credit, did address it head-on somewhat after those 40 minutes were up, but still in the most backwards ass way possible (search for "ants" to see my comment about some of the more batshit things he said).
You still have no evidence and less credibility than ever
Calling it "angry" is an overstatement, he sounds annoyed, and probably because he's in the middle of doing his full time job which appears to be an enormous pain in the ass in part thanks to weird obsessed people like you. The "potentially responsible use case" for a training collar is training, fucking duh, the only people generally committed to not accepting that fact are PETA types and nobody cares what they think so you're gonna have to do better than this if you want anyone to take you seriously. Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I've seen a 56 second clip and a time lapse that claims 4 hours but features multiple extremely obvious cuts, again you're gonna have to do better.
So what is he training the dog to do?
The clip is the crux of the evidence. The time lapse is just to contextualise how much the dog has moved. Let's assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?
Having a dog stay in a bed or crate when they've been a pain in the ass is actually pretty common and I think you already know that, it's called time-out and it's also commonly used with small children and nobody with a working brain calls that abusive either
The clip does fuck all to even hint at abuse, the time lapse has multiple obvious cuts making any claim about the duration shown or the location of the dog for that duration entirely worthless, your commitment to pretending otherwise makes it extremely obvious that you don't actually care what the truth is and are just looking for an excuse to smear a streamer you don't like
This is absolutely wrong. One of the most important things about crate training is that you don't use "go to your crate!" as a punishment. It's an emotionally satisfying thing to do if you're having trouble with your anger or something, but it absolutely fucks up the dog's training that you are trying to do (or what you should be trying to do, I'm going under the assumption that you're not a psychopath here).
https://smartdoglearning.com/dog-crate-training-101-how-to-make-the-crate-your-dogs-bff/
I don't really know shit about dog training, but even I know that.
You also shouldn't say "Kaya! Please!" "Go ba--" "Stop!" when what you mean is "Place!" and the dog didn't do a damn wrong. But again, I already know that me saying these things is going to mean nothing to you. Just one of you guys found a new way to piss me off with animal-abuse-apologia, so I wanted to say something about it.
Cool story, unfortunately you still have no evidence and no credibility
Holy God why are you still following me around lol
Okay, sounds good, I'll make another post, let's see if that helps with my credibility
"Following you around" lol you're still posting about the same inane shit on a platform I use, you're not being followed you came here voluntarily dumbass
Making another post will absolutely not help your credibility, what it will do is lend more credence to the idea that you are an obsessed Hasan hater on a smear campaign
Oh, I didn't even notice that this particular message from you saying "you still have no evidence and no credibility" was unlike the other ones actually in response to something I said to you. I guess that's legit lol.
Anyway how bout that contrast-adjusted image? What do you feel like those little circles are likely to be?
No evidence, no credibility, seek help
Enjoy: https://piefed.social/post/1354201
Lol definitely not beating the “obsessed with Hasan” allegations anytime soon, still no evidence still no credibility, consider seeking professional help
Sounds good! I crossposted it to !videos@lemmy.world just now.
I feel like the photo of the shock collar itself (look at the contrast-adjusted version), clearly showing the tape and outlines of the prong sockets, as well as what model it is, could in some environments be considered "evidence." But I know we all have our definitions about things. If only I had gone on stream and gotten really condescending about how I was right and all my enemies were stupid, instead of wasting my time with looking at Hasan's own video...
No evidence, no credibility, seek help
Yeah totally.
https://piefed.social/post/1354843
No evidence, no credibility, seek help
https://piefed.social/post/1355245
I think probably going forward I will confine the new posts to that community for a while, I don't see the need to be spamming main video communities with more than 1-2 Hasan posts at a time. But absolutely we can keep going if you're into it! Let me know.
Seek help
Ha. I was going to find a place to post this one:
https://files.catbox.moe/vpcdhp.mp4
I still might. But I think I'm mostly at peace about the issue again, see my comment to anarchiddy.
Seek help
It's funny how you're coming up with a barrage of excuses for every possible option, even ignoring Hasan's own statements. Why are you defending him from the claim that he used a shock collar if he literally said it's not a shock collar at all? If the sped up video is not proof that the dog was kept in one single place the entire time, why defend the idea that the dog was kept there for hours on end? If the dog wasn't forced to be there, why was Hasan angry at it for walking out?
You're really not interested in the truth yourself - you're not trying to explain the video itself, judging the likelihood of this and that explanation against each other, it's just about finding every explanation that excuses Hasan, no matter how nonsensical. That's also why you ignored my question (Let’s assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?) - you can't even theoretically imagine something that could convince you he did shock the dog.
Personally, I have a mild dislike for streamers in general (Hasan not particularly standing out among them), it's a weird and evidently socially unhealthy phenomenon, but in this case I'd probably forget about the situation within a day if I didn't see so much aggressive, vitriolic and gaslight-y defending of the guy from his fans.
"Time out" for hours on end - that would veer into abusiveness.
Idk whether you're a phillip alt or just indistinguishably brain-poisoned and I don't particularly care, nothing presented here is evidence of animal abuse and your insistence on pretending otherwise is not helping your credibility. If you want normal people to accept the idea that Hasan is abusing his dog you're going to have to do better than a clip of it yipping once and a heavily edited time lapse of it laying down.
It’s amazing how absolutely psychotic your favorite subreddit has made you. Go touch grass homie?
What the absolute fuck are you talking about?
They've got a new theory that every single person who is upset about this just got spun up by some equally vacuous anti-Hasan streamer (or, in this case, the "livestreamFail" community on Reddit).
They all started saying it (sometimes even accusing particular people of being fans of some particular anti-Hasan streamer), coincidentally just today right after Hasan spent about 45 minutes on stream saying, more or less, the exact same thing, just over and over again in between saying how awesome he is to his dog, how well-trained she is, how over-the-top correct he is in all his decisions, and how often she's on stream (and someone not managing to say "and I love her and she's the best" which honestly would have been a lot more convincing as an explanation for why he would never deliberately hurt her.)
A correct theory, a whole bunch of the push behind this and most other attempts to make people hate Hasan are from Ethan Klein and his fans, I'd say that pretending otherwise would hurt your credibility but as previously stated you have none
They're talking about you being a terminally online mess, obviously
I don't find spammers' random cryptic fantasies about me to be obvious. Neither does your comment seem to actually relate to the above one, other than displaying a similar type of incoherent verbal aggression.
Nothing incoherent or random or cryptic about it lol, I'm clearly suggesting that you're just another Hasan hater on smearing duty, and my accusations are a whole lot more credible than yours are
Pointing out obvious stuff captured on video being described as "psychotic" is pretty random in my book, just throwing insults around. Nothing cryptic? So what's my "favourite subreddit" then? Because I'm still wondering. And it is definitely incoherent on your part, considering you claim I'm terminally online, after I posted a total of two comments ITT and yourself currently having no fewer than 38 comments.
Nothing in the videos presented here is in any way an obvious indication of animal abuse, which is the accusation being made, and while I think describing the behavior of the people pushing these accusations as "psychotic" is a bit of an exaggeration it's definitely not a huge one, this shit is not normal or healthy. The subreddit they're referring to is h3h3, fucking duh, don't play dumb. Nothing incoherent about calling out bullshit where and when I see it, your commitment to this obvious and pathetically flimsy smear campaign is in fact an indication of terminality regardless of the number of comments posted, people who aren't way too fucking online are blissfully unaware of this nonsense.