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[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1160 children)

In the comments here, I was just saying that voting dem won't fix anything, it just delays everything going to shit for 4 years.

I'd still advocate for voting for the democrats, I just don't think it will help in the long run.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (1159 children)

In the last screenshot, you explicitly dismiss the idea of delaying the decline being a worthwhile goal, and, in fact, claim delaying is counterproductive.

If you're still advocating for voting for Dems with that assertion, then your argument is either incoherent, or accelerationist.

Combine this with the fact that you've changed your opinions over the last year from "The Uyghur Genocide is bad" to "I'm not sure if it's really a genocide, and really, whatabout other countries??? 🥺", and you'll have to forgive me for not taking you seriously.

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So if people keep learning and will change their previous held convictions in light of new evidence they've seen, you start not taking them seriously? I'd say the fail is on your side there.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If they're the person I'm pretty sure they are, the evidence they presented was a UN report that accused China of several crimes against humanity that, by the definition of genocide in the genocide treaty that China signed, would each individually have been enough to declare genocide, provided that there was also proof of genocidal intent, which the report didn't investigate. It was analogous to presenting a pathology report that said someone died of knife wounds as evidence that they weren't murdered, just because the pathologist didn't use the word murder, even though it's not the pathologist's job to decide if the knife wounds were a murder or a tragic accident with a cutlery drawer.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

by the definition of genocide in the genocide treaty that China signed

Can you go into detail about this?

also not dissing, am legitimately curious, but do pathologists actually do that?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You can look up the UN's definition of genocide, which is defined in the Genocide Convention. https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition has an explanation and a link to a PDF of the actual treaty. he definition is given as:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

China has ratified the Genocide Convention, so they've agreed to obey it.

It's relatively easy to prove one or more of the acts, as they leave physical evidence and/or a paper trail. Intent is harder to prove. Some countries have found their own past administrations guilty of genocide because a government has access to its own paperwork that it might keep secret from outside observers, and in the case of Israel, there were plenty of ministers tweeting genocidal intent.

also not dissing, am legitimately curious, but do pathologists actually do that?

In the UK at least, the pathologist's job is just to report to the coroner and/or police about physical evidence gathered from a body, and it's up to the coroner and/or police to combine that with other evidence from other sources and come to a conclusion. If the police decide a death might be a murder, even they can't make the final decision, they just use that as a sign that they should collect as much evidence as possible, and hand the evidence over to the Crown Prosecution Service, who'll then decide whether or not there's a charge to prosecute, and then it's a jury that eventually decides it's a murder. If there isn't a charge to be brought (e.g. because it was an accident or a suicide) or the prosecution fails, the coroner can make the final decision about whether there was a murder without having to decide who did it.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 0 points 4 days ago

Swapping one's opinion on genocide three times within a year without the revelation of new evidence suggests a severe lack of actual thought or conviction.

It'll be four times once they spent a few minutes back in dbzer0.

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