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Pragmatic Leftist Theory

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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.

Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.

This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.

If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.

Rules:

-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.

-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.

-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.

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[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 35 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

How does organizing start? It's not by people politely discussing things and making a cordial agreement to go against their own freaking government... People need to be fired up enough to want to act in such dangerous ways in the first place.

I'd bet people saying to, "grab your guns" aren't flippantly saying, "yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don't like!" They're making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.

This kind of flippant dismissal does less than nothing to help people organize.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd bet people saying to, "grab your guns" aren't flippantly saying, "yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don't like!"

You must be pretty new to Lemmy.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sadly I know plenty of tankies who do literally meant that, and get disappointed when people don't.

Heck the Socialist Party of the USA Chapter I was in was lead by a guy who called Bernie Sanders a phony because he, get this, did not advocate for violence against the police.. He was completely serious to and basically told everyone we were fake leftists if we voted for him in the primaries.

Guy was an absolute clown, he kicked me out when I refused to support a transphobic green party candidate who advocated for curing autism with crystals. See cause "Crystals" are "Chinese Medicine", and "China's literally incapable of doing anything wrong."

Because that makes sense

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

Tankies are not known for their intelligence or wisdom, so that tracks.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

That's exactly what they're saying lol

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would probably help to be more literal when you're discussing this kind of thing, if you don't mean it the way people are taking it.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

I agree, but not everyone is in a great headspace nor an English major.

[–] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, there are some users on here that try to agitate people into suicide by cop. Not many, but a couple. It's pretty wild.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social -4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, they're called trolls.

[–] salacious_coaster 3 points 2 weeks ago

They're making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.

Get ready! To be ready! To get ready! Cause we're almost about to organize!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beUbOw4HFyw

[–] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago

This comment should be at the top