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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 248 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

It's wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 130 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But if everyone else is down too, you don't look so bad 🧠

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No one ever got fired for buying IBM.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Yes but now it is nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One of our client support people told an angry client to open a Jira with urgent priority and we'd get right on it.

... the client support person knew full well that Jira was down too : D

At least, I think they knew. Either way, not shit we could do about it for that particular region until AWS fixed things.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is still a logical argument, especially for smaller shops. I mean, you can (as self-hosters know) set up automatic backups, failover systems, and all that, but it takes significant time & resources. Redundant internet connectivity? Redundant power delivery? Spare capacity to handle a 10x demand spike? Those are big expenses for small, even mid-sized business. No one really cares if your dentist's office is offline for a day, even if they have to cancel appointments because they can't process payments or records.

Meanwhile, theoretically, reliability is such a core function of cloud providers that they should pay for experts' experts and platinum standard infrastructure. It makes any problem they do have newsworthy.

I mean,it seems silly for orgs as big and internet-centric as Fortnite, Zoom, or forturne-500 bank to outsource their internet, and maybe this will be a lesson for them.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's also silly for the orgs to not have geographic redundancy.

[–] killabeezio@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No it's not. It's very expensive to run and there are a lot of edge cases. It's much easier to have regional redundancy for a fraction of the cost.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The organizations they were talking about and I was referring to have a global presence

Plus, it's not significantly more expensive to have a cold standby in a different geographic location in AWS.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

They zigged when we all zagged.

Decentralisation has always been the answer.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

universal single point of failure.

If it's not a region failure, it's someone pushing untested slop into the devops pipeline and vaping a network config. So very fired.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Apparently it was DNS. It’s always DNS…

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 8 points 2 weeks ago

yeah, so many things now use AWS in some way. So when AWS has a cold, the internet shivers

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well companies use not for relibibut to outsource responsibility. Even a medium sized company treated Windows like a subscription for many many years. People have been emailing files to themself since the start of email.

For companies moving everything to msa or aws just was the next step and didn't change day to operations

People also tend to forget all the compliance issues that can come around hosting content, and using someone with expertise in that can reduce a very large burden. It's not something that would hit every industry, but it does hit many.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

A single point of failure you pay them for.

[–] relativestranger@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

sidekicks in '09. had so many users here affected.

never again.