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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The theory of Heaven is that it's a utopian existence because it is filled with ontologically benevolent people.

Also, you're dead, so all those biological functions that produce anxiety don't exist anymore.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the biological functions that produce anxiety don't exist anymore than surely the biological functions that produce happiness and love all cease to exist as well right?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mortal happiness, certainly. But Orthodox Christians consider that sinful, too.

Shedding one is just as important as shedding the other.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mortal happiness? So Immortal happiness still exists? What about Immortal anxiety? Does that exist?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So Immortal happiness still exists?

Buddhists define it as an absence of craving.

What about Immortal anxiety?

That's hell.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Buddhists aren't really allowed in the Christian Heaven so it seems a little irrelevant. I agree a Christian Heaven does seem like hell though.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I’m pretty sure Buddhists aren’t really allowed in the Christian Heaven

Prove it. Show me a Christian Heaven with no Buddhists in it.

I agree a Christian Heaven does seem like hell though.

A bunch of people sitting on clouds, playing harps, and vibing? Seems pretty chill to me.

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

ontologically benevolent people

Where are these people coming from though? Surely not Earth.

Most protestant churches do not require a believer to be perfect or benevolent to reach heaven only that they have earnest faith in God/Jesus/etc.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Where are these people coming from though? Surely not Earth.

Benevolence is a human concept measures by earthlings against the behavior of other earthlings. Earth is the only place it could come from.

Most protestant churches do not require a believer to be perfect or benevolent to reach heaven

I mean, YMMV by sect. But they all generally hold that some aspiration towards perfection is a requirement.

Death becomes a means of unfettering the individual from infernal constraints and self-actualizing. The rites and rituals of the faith are about pursuing perfection and pointing yourself in the correct direction.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone has their own idea of what a utopia would like, I doubt it's one size fits all

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It's a vibe, to be sure.

But it's also a "we'll know it when we see it" sort of thing. Folks who want to quibble about the exact definition of utopia are going to be the last to find it.