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Link to tor project (they made the icon I grabbed, and tor itself of course): https://www.torproject.org/

This is a community to discuss the tor project and your experience with tor, tor browser, etc.

Rules are generally: be nice, don't be bigoted, etc.

Only seems fair that an infosec instance should have a community about one of the most well known anonymity tools :)

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The EFF wrote in their most recent newsletter:

… Because it's your rights we're fighting for.

  • Your right to speak and learn freely online, free of government censorship
  • Your right to move through the world without being surveilled everywhere you go
  • Your right to use your device without it tracking your every click, purchase, and IRL movement
  • Your right to control your data, including data about your body, and to know that data given to one government agency won’t be weaponized against you by another
  • Your right to do what you please with the products and content you pay for …

Cloudflare has been DoSing the whole Tor community for over a decade now. Those who are not excluded from CF sites (over ⅓ of the web), who are free to move around only have that liberty because they submit to surveillance and give up their privacy.

EFF has ties to the Tor Project that are closer than most people realise. At the same time, Tor Project itself has submitted to licking Cloudflare’s boots. TP has quietly removed material from their blogs that criticises Cloudflare.

Searching EFF newsletters for Meta, Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc has no shortage of hits. But not a word about Cloudflare -- the most direct adversary of what EFF claims to fight for.

People are already aware of Google and Facebook. If they choose to pawn themselves to those platforms, they know what they are signing up for. It’a waste of energy and resources to fixate on those known evils. EFF is doing a gross injustice by not informing people about Cloudflare.

Cloudflare is one of the few tech giants that wise users cannot escape. In some US states you cannot even register to vote without Cloudflare knowing. You can submit a paper registration but then the data entry worker still submits your personal data to a Cloudflare website.

It’s relatively trivial to escape Google and Facebook and protect yourself. Most of that battle is a matter of not registering and not accessing the services, and watching out for a few corner cases. Cloudflare fucks everyone by compromising websites whose admin doesn’t even know what they are signing up for and the fact that they are pawning all their own users. When your gov publishes legal statutes exclusively in Cloudflare’s walled garden or puts gov services inside CF, we’re fucked to an extent that is much more beyond our control.

I will not donate to EFF until they get their priorities straight.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am so very glad you posted this reply before I responded to your point-by-point of our other conversation.

I had read your other reply first and was considering how to approach your wild thoughts and dismissal of the rights and implied obligations of others.

Your reference to malice is a straw man.

Its not my reference, its @JohnnyCash's. The sum total of my post was asking @JohnnyCash to expand on his statement for better clarity so we could discuss it. Somehow you are trying to twist that request for more information on his opinion into saying its an opinion of my own. Thats unhinged of you.

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Its not my reference, its @JohnnyCash’s.

@JohnnyCash@sopuli.xyz’s reference to malice was different than yours (coming from an entirely different entity in fact). The “twist” was in your misrepresentation of his reference. Hence why your response was a straw man. At 1st I did not regard your strawman as willful malice because it could have been down to very sloppy speed-reading. But now that you have had a chance to revisit his very simple comment, either you’re attempting intellectual dishonesty at this point or English is not your first language.

The sum total of my post was asking @JohnnyCash to expand on his statement for better clarity so we could discuss it.

It was a loaded question. That is, the question itself makes no sense if you comprehend what JC wrote. I don’t believe JC could have been more clear. There was no ambiguity in his reference to malice.

[–] JohnnyCash@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

You're correct about what I meant. I blocked the other person in this conversation because honestly I have more on my mind than engaging with something that sounded like bad faith. I agree wholeheartedly with you about anything you say about CF. They're trying to ruin the last bit of internet I enjoy simply because I'm in a country they don't like. Thanks for fighting the good fight!

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The sum total of my post was asking @JohnnyCash to expand on his statement for better clarity so we could discuss it.

It was a loaded question. That is, the question itself makes no sense if you comprehend what JC wrote.

I fully admit I don't comprehend what JC wrote, thats why I was asking for clarification and and example.

I don’t believe JC could have been more clear. There was no ambiguity in his reference to malice.

Awesome, good luck changing any minds to your position if you (and JC apparently) can't even connect with your audience that is actively engaging with you on your topic.