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Swole Caliphate (infosec.pub)
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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Completely peacful expansion right? Islam is a religion of peace right? No way they conquered, exploited and genocided like other empires right?

Say, seen any Zoroastrian or Nubians lately?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

PS: What do you think happened to Zoroastrians and Nubians?

PS2: Genocide is historically not a common affair so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

PS3: Islam never claims to be "the religion of peace;" this phrase was created by Westerners for a variety of reasons, so like what?

[–] DahGangalang 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

PS3: Islam never claims to be "the religion of peace;" this phrase was created by Westerners for a variety of reasons, so like what?

As a westerner, I could buy that this is just a piece of propaganda I've just heard too many times, but it seems like I've heard immigrants from Muslim majority countries say this as well.

Probably a stretch to ask (so no worries if you can't provide) but can you point to any resources agreeing with your claim on this?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ok apparently I was wrong. The name was adopted by Western politicians in the wake of 9/11, heavily contributing to its present day (completely undeserved IMO) popularity, but apparently before that it originated and continues to be used for Islamic preaching.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Completely peacful expansion right? Islam is a religion of peace right? No way they conquered, exploited and genocided like other empires right?

No one fucking said anything of the sort.

Say, seen any Zoroastrian or Nubians lately?

Fucking what

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians#%3A%7E%3Atext=Persecution+by+Muslims%2C-Persecution Here, some reading material on the cultures nearly destroyed by "Swole Caliphate"

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From your own source:

Several historians express doubt about the entire narrative of the forced conversions of the Zoroastrians, citing many examples of tolerance that were shown by the Muslim overlords concluding that "in the face of such facts, it is surely impossible to attribute the decay of Zoroastrianism entirely to violent conversions made by the Muslim conquerors".[88] Sir Thomas Arnold suggests that some of the conversions of the former-Zoroastrians were actually sincere citing the similarities between the two religions as a motivation for the conversions.[88] Stepaniants also (like Arnold) declares that some historians have said that some of the conversions to Islam were sincere citing the fact that Islam offered a broader door of brotherhood, unlike the restrictive criteria of Zoroastrianism.[89] Nevertheless, Sir Thomas Arnold does acknowledge that the persecution of Zoroastrians did take place later on.[90] Stepaniants states that many persecutions took place during the reign of the Abbasids, and around that time was when the Parsi exodus took place.[33] But regardless, both Arnold and Stepaniants say that the Islam is not to be blamed entirely for the decline of Zoroastrianism.[91][88]

But more curious is why you think Nubia was, in some form or fashion, wiped out by Islam.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is also worth noting that you can find contra arguments for nearly every complex event happening and that history is written by the victors. I am sure the Incas and Mayans also "freely" converted to Christianity under the Spanish. The fact is that religion is a very difficult thing to eradicate to this degree without significant violence and discrimination.

Regarding the Nubians. They survived invasion from the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, but under Islam, their culture was largely eradicated as a non-islamic group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+fall+of+the+kingdom+of+Christian+Nubia+occurred+in+the+early+1500s+resulting+in+full+Islamization+and+reunification+with+Egypt+under+the+Ottoman+Empire%2C+the+Muhammad+Ali+dynasty%2C+and+British+colonial+rule.+After+the+1956+independence+of+Sudan+from+Egypt%2C+Nubia+and+the+Nubian+people+became+divided+between+Southern+Egypt+and+Northern+Sudan.

I think my main point is that Empires are usually built violence and subjugation. but when it comes to Christian and Islamic empires, they also include cultural and religions subjugation, which has destroyed many distinct and irreplaceable cultures that have existed for thousands of years prior.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Regarding the Nubians. They survived invasion from the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, but under Islam, their culture was largely eradicated as a non-islamic group:

... your own source notes that Nubians still exist in large numbers, and that conversion largely occurred before conquest.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Are you saying they killed Freddie Mercury?