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You are correct that it doesn't change my stance, and I wouldn't use animal products (e.g. eggs or wool are two big ones people bring up a lot) even if I know for a fact that the animal is treated well and isn't suffering at all.
But also - I agree with you. Buying cheap wool from Amazon vs getting wool from your buddy that has some alpacas as pets is extremely different. Same for Walmart eggs (even free range ones - I have seen free range chicken farms, knew someone who treated their chickens "well" by industry standards and it was.... not great) vs getting them from the local guy down the street who has a hens that their kids play in the yard with.
I personally will never eat even those animal products because for me being consistent in every scenario is a lot easier, and I don't feel the need to justify why eating animal products is ok in certain circumstances - I just don't do it. And I feel like this is a better stance than still finding ways to still consume, but I would be much, much happier if everyone who consumed animal products only did so through such means. That would require that we as a society produce orders of magnitude less animal products, though. It's not normal or healthy for humans to consume pounds of meat every day, and we produce even more than we consume, leading to excess waste. Basically the whole system is garbage and switching to "kind" animal products would be just as, if not more, difficult than just going vegan as a society.
But yes, I would accept any ally in trying to reduce "Big Ag" or whatever people call it these days. We can argue about the most optimal way to sustain a society when we have fixed the things we can pretty much all agree are problems.
Thanks for posting that! I was gonna say most of the vegans and vegetarians I know say similar to what you said. They have a few different reasons for why they're vegan or vegetarian, but they all tend to agree that it's generally better to just... Eat less meat. Not even not eat meat, but just eat less of it. That's pretty easy to do, honestly, so it's easy to give a shot.
Heck, (and I'm not sure if I agree with this), I once heard someone say they were a vegetarian that occasionally eats meat. It's a neat way to think of it, though, and if they eat less meat because of it, then why not? Reframe it, who am I to stop them?
Regardless, I've been trying to eat less meat, mostly because the messaging works. So, keep it up!
I can't go full plant based (medical bullshit) but the times when meat was a seasoning rather than the main ingredient taught me to cook good flavors. I still don't know how to give up butter tho
Don't take this personal, but I just have to:
Thanks for posting that! I was gonna say most of the consensuals I know say similar to what you said. They have a few different reasons for why they're consensual, but they all tend to agree that it's generally better to just... rape less. Not even not to rape, but just do less of it. That's pretty easy to do, honestly, so it's easy to give a shot.
Heck, (and I'm not sure if I agree with this), I once heard someone say they were a consensual that occasionally rapes. It's a neat way to think of it, though, and if they rape less because of it, then why not? Reframe it, who am I to stop them?
Regardless, I've been trying to rape less, mostly because the messaging works. So, keep it up!
Don't take this personal, but I just have to:
You need to let go of the hate, it makes your life miserable. There is nothing for you at the bottom of this, just paranoia and destruction. Go meet some real people in reality, it helps.
I truly am not a hateful person. And i appreciate you eating less meat, it's important and the right thing to do. I get a little impatient with all the babysteps, the apologies and the Bullshit Bingo (long-tap for a reply) sometimes. Because if you boil it down, you are causing a creature to suffer greatly for your pleasure while living in a world where that is not necessary anymore.
I leave you with the Vegan Society's definition from 1944. Please don't reframe this:
Ah, apologies, you are a real person. I also see you are not very perceptive or you would notice I copied one of your own messages back at you. And your reply infers that it wasn't truly meant as a joke, either.
Okay, then here's a question: What kind of context clues did you get that I really wanted you to make vegans look like jackasses? Also, second question: Have you ever convinced someone to be vegan by being a huge asshole?
Because it's not like I don't agree with vegans. But what you did was comment on a chain that includes someone saying that vegans make an enemy out of everyone that doesn't fully conform to them, and you seem to have tried to prove them right. Why??? You have to understand that I assumed you were a troll. Because that kind of attitude is so shitty that it defies reason.