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🐆 Right-wing trans woman finds out "gender-criticals" cannot be reasoned with (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Armand1@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world

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...I could have told you that 🤷

Source: https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1984574165643403370

Not my usual kind of source (Xitter), but I want any centrists out there who ask trans people to "just get along" / compromise with actual hate groups that want them eradicated to know that it doesn't work.

There is no such thing as a reasonable bigot, by definition.

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[–] powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you're kind of confusing trans people and people with DSDs. The Olympics stopped doing sex testing themselves in the 90's. There have been a few biological males with DSDs that won women's medals in the Olympics though. All 3 medals for the women's 800m at the 2016 Rio Olympics were awarded to biological males, Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba, and Margaret Wambui. Likewise, Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting are also biologically male (not trans as some people incorrectly claimed) and notably won gold in 2024. They were all wrongly assigned female at birth but have the physical advantages of male puberty.

Ana Caldas is a more specific example of why trans people that are biologically male have an insurmountable advantage in the women's category.

[–] bss03 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting are also biologically male

This is a lie. Wikipedia links to no fewer than 3 sources that confirm this is a lie. I will be blocking you.

"Those cheering fans have embraced Khelif throughout her run in Paris even as she faced an extraordinary amount of scrutiny from world leaders, major celebrities and others who have questioned her eligibility or falsely claimed she was a man." -- https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-fights-for-olympic-gold-after-enduring-abuse-fueled-by-misinformation

'The participation of Algeria's Khelif and Taiwan's Lin has proved controversial given they were disqualified from the 2023 World Championships.

"Let's be very clear, we are talking about women's boxing," said Bach at Saturday's daily IOC briefing.

"We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised as a woman, who have a passport as a woman and who have competed for many years as a woman.

"This is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman."' -- https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c28e88jdprno

'Khelif and a second boxer, Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting, fell foul of IBA eligibility rules [...].

[...] a March 2023 IBA board meeting stated that "the athletes do not meet one of the eligibility criteria", without stating which one.' -- https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/who-is-algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-2024-08-03/

[–] powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have two boxers who are born as a woman [..]

Right, they were incorrectly assigned female at birth and raised as women but are biologically male, because

the athletes do not meet one of the eligibility criteria

I'm confused as to why you think those quotes support your point. The sex testing was done by an accredited lab, and is the eligibility criteria they do not meet.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The sources people cite for Imane Khelif being biologically male are:

an opponent with a history of forfeiting after a single punch and claiming after the fact that her opponent was cheating and that was why she was forced to forfeit did it again. When she did that in the past with other opponents, there wasn't any assumption that the baseless cheating allegations were on gender/sex grounds.
The IBA, an infamously corrupt organisation with the infamously corrupt Gazprom as its majority owner disqualified her from a tournament without saying why. There are enough historic allegations of them disqualifying people for refusing to throw matches that it's plausible that the only reason she was disqualified was that she refused to throw a match they wanted to rig.
JK Rowling said she looked like a man. She does this a lot with a lot of cisgender women due to internalising unrealistic femenine beauty standards.

People have claimed sex testing was done by an accreddited independent lab, but chasing that citation just leads to the IBA saying she was disqualified without elaborating why, which doesn't support the claim.

There's no actual evidence to support the speculation. That doesn't mean it's untrue, but does mean it's unreasonable to present it as fact - there's just as much evidence for alternative speculation, e.g. that she bribed the opponent to forfeit and was disqualified by the IBA because they found she'd bribed people to forfeit in the past, and it would be just as unreasonable to spread that rumour I just invented around as if it were fact.

[–] powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

JK Rowling/IBA/etc don't matter, they're just noise. The sex test is what matters. Chasing that citation shows this

https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2025/6/1/xxyetyl1aewfij823hnfdrsbi1sqjm

And note this correction (from the IOC!), which straightforwardly implies that it's a DSD case

The weight of evidence strongly points towards Imane Khelif being biologically male. It doesn't mean the IBA isn't corrupt, JK Rowling isn't terrible etc, but none of that matters.