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Italy’s parliament on Tuesday approved a law that introduces femicide into the country’s criminal law and punishes it with life in prison.

The vote coincided with the international day for the elimination of violence against women, a day designated by the U.N. General Assembly.

The law won bipartisan support from the center-right majority and the center-left opposition in the final vote in the Lower Chamber, passing with 237 votes in favor.

The law, backed by the conservative government of Premier Giorgia Meloni, comes in response to a series of killings and other violence targeting women in Italy. It includes stronger measures against gender-based crimes including stalking and revenge porn.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Your note about disproportionate targets is misleading and inaccurate. Femicide is specifically about murders as far as I know. In the vast majority of countries, men are victims of murder more often than women (in Italy, men are victims about twice as often). They have higher rates of being assaulted/maimed at pretty much every age category in most western countries.

What you're likely trying to gloss, is the oft repeated "victim of domestic violence" stats, which is a niche area of violence that gets used by feminist movements to ignore the arguably greater violence that men face on the regular. This sub-division is even more biased, given that men generally don't report spousal abuse / are less likely to get injured to the point that they get hospitalized by it. Even after the victims of 'violence' includes pretty well all categories, in many western countries the 'results' are roughly even between genders -- Canada for example is at about 48% of all violent offences being committed against men, and 52% against women. But again, not all those crimes are really equal -- men are over represented in fatal / serious violent assaults causing injury far more often than women. They both experience violence at the same 'general' frequency, but men are more likely to be left maimed/dead.

Murder's murder, in the eyes of many. It's strange to provide additional protections for just one demographic, especially when that demographic is far less frequently the victim of murder.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ah, but how often are they victims of murder because of their gender? Femicide isn't just murdering a woman, the motivation counts.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 42 minutes ago

Dedicating time and effort to focus on a special category of murder and implementing harsher punishments for perpetrators based on the demographic membership of the victim, feels counter to the equitable application of justice for a country at large.

Intentionally murdering a woman because she's a woman, is in my view little different from murdering a person for any of the other reasons that get lumped together under things like 'first degree' and 'second degree' murders. This legislation change isn't about making murder illegal -- it's always been illegal. It's about making the punishment more significant if the victim is a woman and the prosecution can prove the murderer had any anti-woman comments/viewpoints.

There are examples of women killing men because they're men -- there are a few famous, and more less-famous, cases where escorts, for example, kill their johns because they're easy targets. There are examples of minority groups killing majority groups because of clearly racist/hateful motives, that get excused because of the demographics of the perp and the victim. The legislation change noted, basically says killing people is bad, but killing women is somehow worse -- ie. that the genders aren't equally treated, and women are worth more / require more protection. To apply harsher punishments unevenly based on demographics is not what I'd consider a fair and impartial system -- it's one that's been engineered to preference the protected group's interests over the interests of the broader whole.

Besides, men get killed 2-5x more frequently than women in many western countries -- why are we trying to protect the gender that has far better overall results? This is sorta a gender equivalent to giving tax breaks to the rich -- they already have it better than others, why give them even more privilege? Add more supports to the demographic that has terrible stats in this area.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The vast majority of the time Men are killed by other men. If there was an epidemic of men calling for violence, hatred and subjugation of other men supported by podcasts and propaganda and it was resulting in a large increase in murder then we’d need to address that problem too.

[–] pumpkin_spice@lemmy.today 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Casually throwing feminism under the bus -- a movement that focuses on women's issues (to the overall societal benefit of everyone) -- for focusing on women's issues?

Huh. Is this socially acceptable now? I thought we were better than this.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Feminism has a place, but it is explicitly about promoting women's interests -- something which if allowed to continue unchecked, leads to significant disadvantages for men. It leads to the sorts of toxic masculinity backlashes that you see in the states, especially because moderates who question women's privilege in advanced western economies start to support more extreme anti-woman positions, because there's a perception that left wing feminist leaning ideologies work against their interests. And they're right.

An egalitarian approach is better, once you've gotten to near parity. Most western countries have been at near parity for generations at this point.