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Battleships are back? What? How do I even meme this? How is this not already a meme? Why is the usa like this? Do they know why battleships stopped being effective as line combatants? (infosec.pub)

submitted 1 day ago by M0oP0o@mander.xyz to c/noncredibledefense@piefed.social

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I caught the orange man talking on the radio, as I am not american I knew it was going to be something stupid but this? I thought it was a joke, an onion like thing, but nooooo. What sealed it is when in the very speech about the new 100x battleships, trump stated that he did not know why the us stopped using battleships....

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but even in that role they are just out done. Missile, plane or drone carriers are cheaper then maintaining, deploying and supplying a fucking battleship. If you look at the last time the Iowas fired their guns in anger you will see it was also even then found to be a massive waste of money. Also they can't be used in a place they could be sunk, so only beating up minor nations, in such case that they are not really needed.

Oh you can change the topography with 16 inch guns, sure. But bombs, missiles and now drones are better at mission kills at a fraction of the price.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not so sure about that, aircraft carriers are phenomenally expensive to buy and run. Having a massive, fast vessel absolutely loaded to the gills with weapons is still a very useful thing to have.

Any modern battleship would certainly have substantial missile batteries in addition to the main guns.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Aircraft carriers are very expensive to run, about the same as a battleship actually. And the Iowas did have a modernization done that added:

32 × BGM-109 Tomahawk launchers (8 Launchers x4)
16 × RGM-84 Harpoon launchers (4 Mounts x4)
4 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS

And even then, they where still seen as a colossal waste of money, even vs an aircraft carrier (that can do more and is real "force projection") that was seen as more vulnerable then an aircraft carrier. That was in the 1991 and now? 34 years later? They would be the biggest waste of soon to be sunk money in modern warfare.