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[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People making shit posts like this and the hopebait pretending there will magically be punishment and restoration "once this is all over" are part of the problem.

They want to talk like its a foregone conclusion that the evil will fail and the good will prosper, but history has shown us anything but this happening, and we've literally seen no signs that they won't continue getting exactly what they want with only mild delays and roadblocks.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Trump is literally dying in front of us. Once the cult leader falls, there absolutly will be a reckoning. His base is tied to him specifically, not the party.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wishful thinking. Go watch the videos of bush administration lackeys defending the Iraq war or Abu Graib. They were reelected shortly after all that came out. The conservative and evangelical coalition has always been there and is well beyond trump.

Dems are 100% capable of losing the next election

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure they will win, the good cop-bad cop routine will continue as usual.

At least until the dollar collapses. They're all making a fortune.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump has outright defied everything the evangelicals stood for. They now only stand for Trump. When he’s gone, they won’t be able to revert and what’s left of the GOP can’t sustain itself as Trump is embedded in everything they do now.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump has outright defied everything the evangelicals stood for. They now only stand for Trump. When he’s gone, they won’t be able to revert

This is a baffling bit of logic to me.

If they were able to change so quickly, why do you think they will suddenly leave?

More than that, I think its pretty clear that trump was an unmasking of their true beliefs.

He was an unmasking of the fact that they have never cared about anything more than hurting marginalized people. That has been, and continues to be their collective single voter issue.

The republicans will always be the party for those people, and those people are the most guaranteed voting demographics.

This is of course all reliant on democracy even functioning in 1 year, which I have high doubts about. I'd say the odds are out of its favour.

To beat the voter manipulation/intimidation/gerrymandering etc to the extent needed to actually oust trump is damn near an impossibility, and then if he gets the next 2 years, its completely over.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s exactly my point. Trump did it transparently. Everything was on full display. Which means they can’t lie about what they are anymore.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That's not exactly a problem for them though, hence their willingness to be more open about it.

He bet that people would be proud of being their worst, and he was right.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, it's not tied to him specifically. Why would you think that? There will be a new "Trump" immediately after he's dead.

It's easy money, and the blood is in the water.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There will always be a new Hitler. It’s a generational thing. But Trump kind of spent all the social currency the fascists we’re saving up, which is why those all over the world are getting their evil in while they can.

They aren’t anticipating a legacy. They are planning for blowback. So they are doing everything they can hoping some of it survives.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Once the cult leader falls, there absolutly will be a reckoning. His base is tied to him specifically, not the party.

This is way too hopefuly thinking that I feel like too many people are hopebaiting themselves with.

They specifically have plans, openly documented in project 2025 to no longer need the cult leader, nor votes.

This isn't going to just go away.

There isn't magically going to be some new person to join the fight and win it for you.

Its the people, fighting apathy and the regime, and right now apathy is working tightly with the regime.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, frankly, even if the Trump family was as wealthy as Trump claims. Or had as much physical cash as Elon has assets / investments. It would be a drop in the bucket.

Nations operate on scales that are orders of magnitude larger than any privately owned wealth. That's kind of the point. This would be like levying a $1000 fine for a billion dollars in damages and expecting it to "be fixed".

[–] phx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'm actually willing to believe that between all the bribes and scams they probably do have a lot of money now, but it's also going to be hidden in places that would be very hard to track down or impossible to retrieve (Russian Banks etc)

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This isn't true, there are a few "old money" families that control international business. Morgan. Rothschild. Rockefeller. They have been acquiring wealth for centuries on a staggering scale. I'm reading about their manipulation of world war one now, it's disheartening.

None of them can compete with the Catholic church yet, but they're working on it.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are absolutely people / families with a lot of influence and power. But if you seized the personal assets of one of them you'd have enough money for maybe one Aircraft Carrier. Much less everything else the US does or the amount of damage Trump has done to the US economy / infrastructure / reputation.

Jail them, regulate them, and for God's sake tax them. But seizing, at most, a few billion in assets from one group of individuals is nothing when the US military alone spends about a trillion a year.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I don't think you grasp the amount of wealth we are talking about. It's not assets you can "seize". It's far more than that.

These families are older than the USA, older than most of the governments in Europe. We're talking families that were around since the gilded age, controlling banking and other assets that formed nations.

One family may not have the wealth to out spend the USA, they definitely can outbid 90% of the nations on Earth, and they are international.