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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit.

The parent comment went too far, but I've seen too many supposed progressives deriding pro-Palestinian protesters and carrying water for Genocide Joe to let your average American off the hook. The American working class may not be making the decision to engage in imperialism, but it keeps defending them and allowing them to happen. It's the American working class that says "thank you for your service" after their "boys" blow up people on the other side of the world. Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class, so at this point I don't have too many tears to shed now that it's blowing up in their faces. Death to America.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class. The American people are not a fucking monolith. What you've done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together. It's a giant claim to say that "Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class" on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost. So I'm gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you've made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far. And also, you're still making the same fundamental mistake with the sweeping generalization in that it's not only inaccurate by its very nature, but counterproductive by further dividing the people already victimized by those in power. Don't blame it on the American, don't blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class.

Nor really. I can hate both the abusers and their enablers.

The American people are not a fucking monolith.

Sure, but how many Americans have ever acted against their government's imperialism? 1%? 5%? 10%?

What you've done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together.

I... gave examples to support my point. What? Do you want an exhaustive list of every instance of American imperialism apologia?

It's a giant claim to say that "Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class" on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost

Then I'll make a falsifiable prediction: No imperialist escapade the American ruling class tried to manufacture consent for has failed to get off the ground within the last 30 years.

So I'm gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you've made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far.

It went to far in the sense that it implied the American working class chooses to engage. That's wrong; (most) Americans allow the choice to be made for them and either passively refuse to do anything about it or actively shut down serious attempts by people who want to do something about it. That's not much better.

Don't blame it on the American, don't blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.

Am I allowed to blame people who defend the system, then? What about people who have nothing but excuses for why they totally definitely have to comply with the system? The point is: Everything I've seen since I've started following American politics has only managed to convince me that America is unsalvageable in the medium term and the world would be better off if it was broken down into smaller and weaker states. Fingers crossed for civil war.