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You’re deflected from blaming pesticide >manufacturers and real estate developers, so that >you can scream your head off at your neighbor’s >SPCA rescue.

I literally said that habitat destruction was a larger effect, you just chose not to quote that part of what I said.

I haven’t seen any numbers on wild cats prior to the >arrival of European settlers. But given the lack of >demographic analysis, I’m betting these figures >have enormous error bars, even assuming you’re >conjecture is correct.

For bobcats, wiki cites a journal from 1996 that said population density of bobcats varied from 1-38 per 25 sq km (numbers from surveys in the 80s, when I read the journal). Making an assumption that pre-European settler numbers averaged out across North American habitats to be more like the 38, and given that the lower 48 is ~8 million sq km, that would make the pre-1500s bobcat population ~12 million. The estimates for the current free roaming domestic housecat is about 100 million. You mentioned a couple other types of cats, but mountain lions are bigger and not the ones preying on small birds. Ocelots are more akin to the domestic cat, but their native range within the United States is much smaller (AZ to LA), with large portions of that area probably not able to support nearly as many animals. But even if I generously said there were another 12 million ocelots in the US, you'd still be only at a quarter of the current domestic cat population.

domestic cats have no natural predators. But again >- that’s not due to the cat population. It’s due to the >human population.

No. It's due to the fact that they are not native to the United States. They don't have natural predators because they aren't naturally here.

Your visceral defense of housecats is just another example of the hypocrisy of humans. Everyone is willing to sacrifice the desires of someone else. No one is ever willing to give up their own destructive vices though. I didn't even say people shouldn't own them! I just said they should keep them indoors. Obviously, that's not what cats want. Cats want to go outside and explore....and kill small animals. Because they are naturally predators and it's their nature. But if you want to take responsibility for your personal impact, you would keep it indoors.

And again, while I agree that the industrial amounts of habitat destruction is a bigger effect, it doesn't change the fact that the main impact you as an individual can have/ affect, is reining in your cute murder bot.