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I see zero momentum. There is absolutely no difference between an ice protest and no kings. It’s gonna be the same people. Probably fewer. Same end result—nothing.
You can be frank until you’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change reality. You just cannot accept that this country is done, despite the overwhelming evidence.
And, when someone ruins your good vibes with reality—you lash out and clutch your useless picket sign! The tactics of the civil rights movement worked THEN. They will not work NOW.
You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran. Mass protests directly led to multiple regime changes around the world in just the last 6 months.
The only ones who don't want you to protest are those in power. Hence why places with less well enshrined rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly keep passing laws to try to ban effective methods of protest
And how many people died in those protests? You need to be ready to defend yourselves and until Americans are willing to do anything with the slightest risk to it nothing will change.
That was not the United States. Focus.
So...you're saying that protest which has worked and is currently to effect change in other countries, and which has worked previously in the United States, can't possibly work right now in the United States as we enter an election year?
Enjoy licking those boots!
How many people died in the protests in Iran?
What is the argument that you're trying to make? First it's "protest isn't effective" then it's "protest doesn't work anymore" then it's "protest doesn't work anymore in the US" and now it seems to be "but protest can be slightly dangerous sometimes?" Your arguments are disingenuous at best.
If protest wasn't effective the governments being protested wouldn't be attempting to make the protests illegal nor killing protestors and civilians.
This is self-evident. Different forms of protest can be more or less effective in different contexts. But protest in general has been effective the world over for many centuries
If protest was ineffective the government wouldn't be trying to ban it, they'd be saying "oh there was a protest? I didn't notice!" instead of passing legislation to stop them
Rejection of the manufactured consent that Republicans have been trying to pass a guise of. Protest creates unity for those protesting, encourages further action and increased political awareness and participation. It breaks media narratives. A protest with hundreds of events spread across 50 states with 7 million participants shows a strong rejection of the actions of the federal government and completely breaks all talk of the Republicans having a "clear mandate from the voters" like they were trying to claim at the beginning of 2025. These are not tangible effects but they are extremely important when the federal government not only fails to represent its population but turns its guns upon its own people
So what are you doing then? At least we're out here protesting and not taking it lying down. Change doesn't happen overnight and it takes work.
General strikes and Civil disobedience won't work now?
Kinda running out of options that don't involve guns bud.
Oh gotcha you're just not even wanting to try anything at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
Are they happening now? Or is everyone having another "We Don't Like Trump Convention" for a weekend before they clean everything up nicely and go home in time to be at work on Monday?
Are you doing anything other than judging others online? You are welcome to organize something.
But in context of the conversation they said that the methods used during the civil rights movement wouldn't work now. Those methods were general strike and civil disobedience. Hence why I was asking why the commentator thought they wouldn't work today
Fucking Americans. "Why isn't somebody else doing this for us?"
Ah so you're not even American and are basically only familiar with what you get from the news or lemmy.
No I don't expect you to come here and fix things. Better?
Also totally ignoring what the original context was. So cool
No one is general striking. All to afraid to loose health care.
Again, you only see picket signs vs bullets.
I must not be willing to try ANYTHING because I disagree with you. Despite me saying otherwise this whole time.
Like I said, clutch you picket signs and block your ears.
Have the day you fought for 💋
You're both right, but seems like you're both just trying to prove the other wrong. Keep protesting, keep showing up, but imagine how much more effective it would be if those protesters were armed. Openly armed. You don't even need to bring ammo, just make it clear that the left - that most Americans can fight too.
We're probably not voting our way out of this, we'll just vote it back into the shadows. ICE has been around for decades, surveillance state for decades, broken police system for centuries (?), liberal/neoliberal economy for decades, our government more and more a plutocracy for decades which has held the monopoly on violence.
Solutions via option A or B would be great, but the threat of option C must be on the table. If you're holding a gun and I'm holding a sign, then we aren't negotiating on equal footing.
Truthfully I feel like I gave them the opportunity several times to state their alternatives. They refused and just said it's impossible
You never asked me for another option. You told me there were no other options. You refuse to entertain anything. I’m not a troll just because I disagree with you.
Nothing can happen until the November election.
No Kings needs to organize and flip every red seat they can. It seems likely the House will flip. It's POSSIBLE (but unlikely) the Senate will flip.
You're not going to vote your way out of fascism. They'll just refuse to seat any Democrat that gets elected. They did that for a month already and faced zero consequences for doing so.
November is too long of a wait
That's the way politics works, you get another election and vote them out.
No kings is dead. No ICE (or whatever) is gonna last a month. By October, there will be some sort of gestapo set up to disrupt elections. The post office already removed incoming timestamps for one reason—mail in vote suppression.
The future is crystal clear—I dunno how you fools keep talking about “next election” like this is going to ever end.
Not sure what makes you think No Kings and 5051 are dead, they're still going and will only get stronger as we get closer to election season.
There will be a next election because elections are run at the state and local levels, the feds can't stop it even if they wanted to.
So what specifically came from No Kings that we can call a victory?
Organizing 7 million people to protest on the same day was a huge feat.
To put that in perspective, the margin between Trump and Harris was only 2 million.
And those seven Million people met and then went home… So what I’m asking for is…. what happened? Nothing. What were the gains? None.
Because as far as I can tell, Trump—the self-proclaimed president of Venezuela—is going to take over another country pretty soon… Pretty sure that makes him a king.
Getting people organized is the first step, getting them to actually vote is the second. That's where we're at in 2026.
If they succeed in motivating people to vote out the Republicans, that's all it takes.
lol. Organization. Voting. Come November you’ll wish you sided with action—but it will be too late.
Organizing and voting is the action.
A revolution is a pipe dream, it's not happening.
Oh sweetie, there is no revolution. Not with people who silence revolution controlling the conversation of the Internet.
The best you can hope for is to stay alive for the next 50 years during the Republican regime.
I've been alive through this before...
1969-1976
1981-1992
2001-2008
2017-2020
2025-2028
There have only been a few Democratic breaks:
1977-1980
1993-2000
2008-2016
2021-2024
It will likely flip back in 2028, but we have to flip the House back in 2026, ideally the House and Senate but that's unlikely.
JFC, that's the solution? Wait 10 months and hopefully flip house but probably not the Senate?
Then everything returns to the stagnant status quo that resulted in this situation in the first place. Dems continue to be toothless, Republicans continue to prevent anything from happening, continue to face zero consequences, and are further emboldened to go even further next time because why the fuck not? Either they succeeded in the fascist takeover or nothing happens and they just try again.
That's the best you can hope for?
That's the only recourse short of a revolution or a civil war which would be 1000x more destructive.
If going back to doing nothing and kicking the can down the road is the only way to avoid a civil war then I have bad news for you: you're not avoiding anything, you're just trying to delay it for another 4 years while things continue to get worse and more people get killed.
"More people" = < 20 vs a civil war with tens to hundreds of thousands dead? 🤔
The last civil war we had killed 600,000 to 700,000 and that's without modern weapons.
I agree, as time goes on a Civil war gets more destructive.
Therefore, delaying a civil war by 4-8 years will result in more destruction than if citizens stand up for themselves now. Either way, according to your arguments the civil war will happen eventually.
Citizens ARE standing up for themselves now, that's what the protests and elections are for. 😉
Protests are only taking action if they are disruptive. Standing in a corner with signs while people go about their day is as effective as sharing memes on Lemmy.
Wait for Elections is waiting 10 months, not taking action now.
Disruptive protests only turn off your intended audience. You THINK you're disrupting the powers that be, you aren't, they take no notice of you and you turn away the people who would ordinarily be on your side.
“Everything is going to be fine”
Famous last words.
So, if the dems don’t flip it in 26, you’ll eat your hat or just keep on believing a lie?
What lie would that be?