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Yes, I can, because that’s exactly what liberals were doing in 2020-2022 in the wake of the George Floyd riots.
Also, ever heard of affirmative action? That’s where you get passed over from being hired or promoted for being white, even if you are in fact the most qualified candidate. This is usually justified by historical oppression (such as slavery), which makes it a collective punishment that’s applied regardless of guilt (even at the height of slavery in the US, less than 2% of the population were slave owners).
Get the fuck out of here with this shit. No one wants the filth you spew.
You and most everyone around you has unconscious bias against non-white people because of the world you grew up in. So we tip the scale, not against those of higher merit, but against those whose only higher merit is their skin color. Then, once you start seeing a world where everyone contributes and all talents are seen, then we can talk about whether or not the scale tipped too far.
If you're feeling insecure about your place in the world, join a union or a collective help network. Helping others gives others incentives to help you. It's like networking, but not purely selfish, so it's more fun!
Do you have any actual arguments, or are you just here to spout verbal abuse and baseless accusations?
I'm not here to debate you. I'm here to let you know that no one fucking wants you and this shit you dumped here on lemmy. You wanna get your knob slobbed cause you can parrot some pseudointellectual garbage you picked up from a grifter that told you your intuition on a subject that neither of you know anything about was correct and perfect? Well LLMs and reddit exist, so just go there and get the fuck out of here.
You wanna be a grown-up and actually learn about shit instead of giving yourself a participation trophy in smarts that no one respects? Learn shit so you're beyond a "third-grader in white suburbia" level of understanding on how the world works before you try to engage others in an intellectual way. I'll give you a hint, start with the people your grifters bash but watch their videos without the grifter telling you what to think first. You might actually learn something. It might seem like a scary thing at first, being challenged on how you think the world works, but in time you'll grow to like actually knowing things instead of the mastubatory shit you've been doing up till now.
Who knows? You might even end up being something more than a mouth-breathing racist with all of the intellectual prowess of a clam. I mean, it's unlikely, but human potential can surprise you.
Thanks, I appreciate your honesty.
Man, some people want to be a victim so badly they'll reach for absolutely anything. The protests were about government violence and the indifference from lawmakers. Only a conservative cry bully could turn that into "I'm being attacked because I'm white"
Affirmative action is precisely not that, you're again being extremely hyperbolic and exiting the realm of facts to justify your victim complex. Your last sentence is just more laying out of your insistence that helping people is about hurting others. If there's a zero sum game in America, it's not between races, it's between classes. Any other example that might actually be 1 to 1 and not 1 to 0?
That's not at all what affirmative action is or means.
In fact, it's literally the opposite, the goal is to make sure someone is not passed over from being hired or promoted because they're a person of color when they are indeed the most qualified candidate.
If you squint real hard and spin it around you might be able to argue that if we're talking about filling quotas for a university or something like that. Thinking affirmative action is something that takes opportunities away from what people is just plain wrong.
Why would you need to force a business to hire the most competent person for a job?
Man it's like, people are bigoted or something to the point where they had to make laws specifically saying that you have to hire the most competent person, and people still whine about it.
We both know there's racist people out there, towards blacks and whites and Asians or anyone else. Or people who hate gays. Or people who hate straight people. So if you really believe in meritocracy, where people naturally rise from their own effort and the better people get the jobs, you should be in favor of laws that keep things fair. Then the better people will get hired.
But capitalism is about making a profit above all else, isn't it?
If you purposely ignore 20-50% of the potential hiring pool regardless of qualifications simply because you're a bigot, someone else is going to hire them (potentially for less) and simply outcompete you.
That's not how it works in real life and I think you know that.
Capitalism is its own complex beast and one I'm not going to opine on here but I fucking wish we lived in a meritocracy where you could just hire people that are good and magically crush it in the market. We very much don't.
Cream rises to the top all by itself, doesn't it? You don't need to legislate that. Neither do you need to legislate gravity.
The reason there is no meritocracy in our economy is precisely because we have laws against it, not in spite of it.
Or are you saying that hiring the most competent people isn't an automatic guarantee that you'll crush it? In which case, why would you be in favor of a law that requires employers to hire the most competent candidates?
But you do need to legislate against discrimination and pollution and etc (insert long list of heinous shit that's happened in American history that led to legislation).
No. It's because of crony capitalism and human nature and more but it definitely isn't because we have laws against it. That doesn't even make sense.
I'm saying you can have more talented people and still lose in the marketplace for a zillion reasons. I'm in favor of laws that protect people from being discriminated against, which generally leads to more qualified people getting hired regardless of their skin color.
Anyways, on the off hand change you're engaging in good faith and not just a troll - I highly suggest you read up some on the history of minority groups in the USA; particularly how former slaves were treated and how the reconstruction era after the civil war really fucked them over. Plus just the general exploitation of cheap migrant labor.
That's all I'll say about all this.
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that even though cream always does rise to the top, passing a law requiring to do so would make it go faster? Or simply that it would make you feel more reassured that it eventually will? If it's the latter, should we perhaps also pass a law requiring the sun to rise every day, or that objects must always fall down instead of up? Where do we draw the line?
Anyways, on the off hand change you're engaging in good faith and not just a troll - I highly suggest you read up some on the history of minority groups in the USA; particularly how former slaves were treated and how the reconstruction era after the civil war really fucked them over. Plus just the general exploitation of cheap migrant labor.
That's all I'll say about all this.
Are you actually this naive or are you engaging in bad faith? Are you unaware that racism exists and is rampant? Are you aware that capitalism as practiced is not remotely a meritocracy and there's no actual free market?
So you're saying that making it so people hire based on how qualified they are rather than, say, race, is actually good for business. Because there are flawed and bigoted people out there, and even though a capitalist business is about making a profit, there's people out there who would rather screw up the system over petty differences than have business be better and innovate more.
Sure, there probably are people like that, but they deserve to fail and go out of business, don't you think?
Another person answered you but yeah the (very) short answer is the history of institutionalized racism in the USA. There's been plenty of books and articles written on the topic so if you're interested in learning more about the history of racial injustice and how affirmative action works to address that you definitely can find tons of info.
At the end of the day, affirmative action is a means to try to right historical wrongs and implement laws against discrimination.
I think if you took the time to read more about why it came into being and what the situation was for formerly enslaved people after the civil war* you'll see why affirmative action is still an important practice that continues to this day.
*It was bad, really bad. Sharecropping, for example, was really just slavery with extra steps.
Okay, so you admit that it IS about collective punishment, then?
No because that's not punishing anyone.
What you're saying is a classic strawman fallacy.
LOL, when? People who were white were being targeted for getting rounded up by a rogue outfit like ICE, which is now threatening to go "door to door"?
Also, 2020 - 2022 - that spanned two administrations. You are saying both administrations targeted the poor widdle whites?
Lmao. This idiot just said helping black people hurts white people, and vice versa.
If two people are interviewing for a job, but only one position is available, whoever does not get it is hurt by that decision regardless of skin color, no?
So you agree that if there is a collective bias against people if colour, it is harmful?
Do you believe that if there was a collective bias against white people, it would be harmful?
Sorry, you didn't answer my question, so I'm not going to engage with yours.
You didn't answer my question either when you asked yours, so I assumed answering a question with another question was fair game. Don't expect me to play by your rules if you won't even play by them.