First of all, I have no intention of taking or promoting any side here, because I'm not well informed enough about what has happened since 2022... however, before getting burned out of the internet somewhen by the end of the last decade, I used to follow a lot of anarchist collectives. I was on Riseup and Autistici mailing lists, and I remember reading a lot about everything that was happening in Ukraine directly from the anarchists there, the protests being led by openly fascist paramilitary groups like the C14, Svoboda, Tryzub, Pravy Sektor, the SNA that became the Azov Battalion, tons of pictures and videos documenting everything and everyone, even American Blackwater mercenaries operating in the country. These fascist groups clashing with socialists, setting fire to union buildings and shooting people trying to escape, and now it's hard to even find references to these groups and their actions on the internet, like it was sanitized (not so long ago, I also had trouble finding some materials from antizionist rabbis I had read back in the mid-2000s, I actually just found accusations of them being antisemitic on main search engines, so I really believe there is a lot of fuckery going on to control information)... and I'm afraid if I start talking about Donetsk and Lugansk I might get accused of something, so never mind.
I'm mentioning it because it has been only a few months since I joined Lemmy, and I've seen some controversy about accusations of nazis in Ukrainian lines, like it's tankie propaganda or that Dugin shit... but, uh, back when pro-EU factions took the government, the anarchists had documented the nazis very well... is there a generational gap of information here? How many people were following anarchist press (not the shit you'd find on Twitter, Tumblr, or whatever) back in 2014?
ps: I'm not here to discuss Russia.
edit: fixed some grammar mistakes I noticed, but I'm no native speaker.
All too familiar here. Survived a genocide here that they spurred on public anger for and indifference to with lies. Except that was to cover up corruption and shift blame (and hate) to the vulnerable.
Yes, and unfortunately such is effective, especially in the minds of those who want to believe. Group-think does terrible things to people, causing them to do yet even more terrible things to other people yet. Especially when so manipulated and curated. Doubly especially when used to hide and normalise things like Nazism.
Yep. A very familiar pattern now. Same modus-operandi over and over. Terrorises minds out of nuance, to protect the narrative that permits the ploys and abuse.
Almost like that's the intended ploy, and those behind the armies are really, secretly, on the same side, against the people, and are merely using the lines on the map to further separate and abuse us by.
And none of this would be happening if not for the PNAC and associated ploys, and NATO expansion in breach of the treaties that had kept the peace. Not following their own rules, so they can carry out these monstrous ploys, throwing those who would be most fit to rise up against the corrupt political structures, into the meat grinder. Priming the next phase of the weapons of mass distraction, by which they acquire, through terror, more power over people, making us more vulnerable to their plans to depopulate the world to way under 500 million people, as they had published on the Georgia guide stones, as if such vast atrocity were a necessary virtue. (It's not. ~ They sit on the means of abundance and emancipation, hog tie us to pollution and rents, then blame us, and offer the solution of a global cull of the human population, rather than relinquish their oppressive power over us and their suppression of the means of emancipation, where even they would be richer than they are now. It's beyond merely stupid. And then we're supposed to run around in fear, distracted by other countries, that they also abuse, and play abuse off abuse, to keep us all distracted, like a magician not wanting us to see through their trick. Oh noes! Russia! Oh noes! The Ukraine! And pay no attention to the calls for self determination, autonomy, independence, and different ways of doing things. Just kept in the false dichotomy from the opposames.)
Yeah. Putin (whichever of his dozen+ body doubles (and/or skinsuits/androids/clones)) is in the same big club. Talks a better talk than many of the political muppets in the west, more actually like an adult in the room, but ultimately still attends the same parties, still a "WEF Young Leader", ruled by the same banking empire.
Yeah, like the other reply here highlighted an example of.
It's easy to be an angel in heaven. Hard not to ally with a devil when a bigger devil's threatening you.
Yep. Not my left (and not even left).