We understand perfectly, we just think it's bullshit. All of the countries that are consistently ranked as providing the best quality of life for their citizens share a suite of features, none of which are communism. No amount of condescension on your part will change this.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China is responsible for 75% of poverty reduction, Cuba has a longer life expectancy than the US, chinas median wage is now higher than some european countries, and it is only growing, women in gdr had more orgasms than women in the west, and the current "quality of life" in capitalist countries is only sustained due to exploitation of the third world - not to mention the fact that while these same countries have enough food and housing their peoples are still starving and homeless.

There you go, no condescension necessary.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good. I appreciate the lack of condescension. I still think you are wrongheaded in your analysis, but I am happy to cordially disagree with you while not infantilizing your arguments.

As for China, I think what's notable is that it was able to use command capitalism to achieve its admittedly phenomenal economic success specifically on the back of capitalism.

But now China is facing demographic collapse together with a collapse of its real estate market.

It's in the rest of the world's interest to mitigate China's coming economic difficulties as much as we can, but there's only so much we can do for an economy built on a house of cards.

Mark my words; China is in deep shit economically, and it will be a huge deal in the coming years.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Eh, China has been collapsing or about to collapse since the 60's. I'll believe it when I see it. Meanwhile the US isn't doing so hot, which we can actually observe without the need to make the financial troubles of one part of one sector in one region into some sort of sign of an oncoming apocalypse.

Regarding making use of capitalism: Yeah, that's what dengism is all about. Capitalism has its uses, we've just outgrown it.

[–] SkolShakedown@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you completely made up the link in reasoning that the "countries provide ... for their citizens". how does a country provide quality of life? you took a correlation and filled in the blank on causation, that it's purely caused by domestic government systems. not geographical, geopolitical, historical, material realities. the "suite of features" shared by these countries is more than just the ones you wanna focus on and ignore all the rest.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, sure I did. You are a liar and an intellectual coward.

[–] SkolShakedown@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, sure I did. You are a liar and an intellectual coward.

-@BigNote@lemm.ee, 2023

[–] iie@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

one of the features rich capitalist countries share is extracting trillions of dollars out of poorer countries every year lol

[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Didn’t realize it was communism that continually extracted wealth from the global south for near 500 years, meddled in their politics constantly to benefit private interests, and kept them in a constant state of undevelopment for cheap labor and raw materials

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

hmmmmm, isnt kind of curious how every country in the top ten list for highest home ownership rate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate) is either communist or a previously communist nation?

[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's funny you say that considering

Health insurance. Actually that probably doesn't really count since most of us know it's a scam.

That's another one of your comments lol

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

And your point is?