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[–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I love how early in the bible, Satan's role is actually to be the contrarian to God's designs. Doesn't actually commit any evil unless given permission by God to do so. Is kinda treated like one of the angels rather than the fallen one.

[–] NaibofTabr 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the original Hebrew, Satan as he appears in Job is "the Accuser", and fills the role of a prosecutor. He isn't "the Devil", as he is generally thought of in Western culture today.

[–] scifu@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Hinduism Yama is the God of death and a punisher. The lord of hell who punishes sinners.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah and Christians always put him and Hades in the evil corner when they're writing stories based on myths. Even Anubis gets the villain treatment by people who really can't be trusted with other cultural mythos.

It really makes me wonder if the Germanic/Norse Hel was actually villainous, given how spotty our actual knowledge of their myth cycle was. It's certainly a convenient name for her to have, but it's also more than possible "Hell" came before "Hel" entirely organically instead of being evidence of Christian revisionism.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eh, it's all reused pagan deities anyway.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's like, post-Justinian Christianity, Book of Job predates Christianity entirely

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's reused pagan deities through the whole history of abrahamism.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At some point the abrahamic god is a pagan deity

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No I mean you're drawing a distinction between "pagan deities" and the Abrahamic God as if there is any difference, as if "pagan" beliefs were somehow more original or pure

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 2 years ago

I mean, paganism is a christian concept.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is Satan even in the Bible, I know they took like 5 different entities and made it into 1 guy over the years, but if I remember right the whole story of his rebellion and fall is not even in the Bible, it's just fanfic.

It's all confusing cause it's derived from Judaism which originally had many gods, with Yahweh being Dionysus essentially

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, YHWH goes back to El (probably). Or at least partially. There's multiple inflluences for the more central characters

I remember somewhere on Wiki about a deity sitting with his wife on a mountaintop providing water to the area, long before the local people split into israeli and others. Someone knows where?